Seriously Cakewalk?

Bump!

Just because this still aggravates me.

I have had the going silent metronome thing happen to me before X1D, and I was hoping this issue would be fixed in X1D, but I haven't been in X1 much since the X1D update, so I haven't experienced that issue, yet. But if you say it's still happening, your word is good enough for me to scare me. I sure wish Cake can get to the bottom of this metronome going silent deal, but it just happens randomly with me, and I can't find a set of steps to consistently reproduce it, so I can log a bug report for the issue. For me, the only way this going silent metronome matter is fixed is to start a new project. Then, it's back sounding.

As for envelopes, I only use volume envelopes and they work well for me since I started using X1. I used to get some crashes in 8.5 when I messed-around with deleting nodes on the volume envelope, but I've never gotton that with X1. Thank goodness.

Are clip envelope and node things new in 'X? I haven't seen envelope issues since, IDK, 2, 5 maybe? (Fairly rare then I'd add.

Was the metronome sound source on the drum VST you replaced? Is this a bug or is this on your system only?  I will try to reproduce here later today if you can give really clear steps.  

Thanks.

Rimshot

Rimshot, No VST involved. Real snare drums being used so that's what I was swapping out.

Herb, I do the same thing and have been since Sonar6PE when this first happened.
The problem is that this is a finished song that I had an idea to add something too.
After I already deleted the blank 2 measures I always have. 

Mike

Pretty simple actually.
My recording template has a buss named Metronome which is routed to the main outs.
Open the metronome control panel and set it to playback on record only and set a 2 measure count in.

That's it.

Worked for two passes then went kaputz.

Opened the project today and added 2 measures at the beginning of the song with a drum loop as my metronome and finished my project.

Decided to try metronome again before I shut things down and it was working fine.

??????? Go figure ??????
Thanks for offering Rimshot but as others have mentioned it's a touch and go thing.
I'm just going to go back to using my click track loop I made. 

Mike

I have NEVER had an issue with the metronome

 
Ditto, or at least never a disappearing metronome.  The only issue I have had, but not since X1, is a sometimes flaky count-in; e.g., the timing wouldn't be steady.  But once the count-in was finished it was just fine. 
 
I'm glad that doesn't happen any more, but do feel for those that are having these issues... I'm just not one of them.  So as LJB suggests, perhaps there is an external factor involved.
 

Is it perhaps related to whether the audio sound is used or a MIDI note? I use the MIDI note option to a drum machine and have never had a problem with the metronome through any version of Sonar.

Having said that I do prefer to play a pattern back from a drum machine via MIDI sync, plain metronomes send me crazy(er).

If it is in the program I hope it gets sorted out as well. Metronome is as advertised in Sonar7PE and X1P Expanded... I always automate by track so cannot speak to clip automation.

It's Interesting that somebody pointed out that it may be to a possible driver issue...

My computer was not-too-long-ago converted into a dual boot system, & as a result began experiencing metrenome issues for the first time...

When using my original XP version, the metrenome works flawlessly - however, when using Win7 the metrenome will cause crashing (says to be associated with 'grooveplayer.dll')... The crashes happen most if the time; my only fix is using the midi metrenome by way of an external midi sound module.

Oh & never had this problem on my new main DAW app when using it in the same system ;)

...says to be associated with 'grooveplayer.dll'

 
There's another recent metronome related thread where I mentioned it was possibly a VST of some sort, and I think perhaps you've just found it.   Not that a DLL has to be a VST, but considering what it does I wonder...    
 

Every time I see the title of this thread, I imagine a late night TV show about using Sonar called SERIOUSLY CAKEWALK. It's a bit like Queer Eye For The Straight Guy only about sound engineering. I think it could be big.

Hi Everyone,

If your metronome is flat out not generating a sound, you might have an installation related problem. It's important to identify the difference between bugs and installation related or system specific problems.

I could break your metronome simply by moving a few files on your system, which is drastically different then a bug in SONAR's code. Please don't mistake me saying this as me claiming SONAR doesn't have bugs, that's not going to help anyone. There have definitely been metronome issues in the past and could still be. Nevertheless, this seems like it's an install or system specific related problem that Cakewalk or other helpful forum members could get to the bottom of.

If you guys are experiencing issues like this, I'd seriously suggest contacting us. Give us a chance, we're not all that bad. If you don't want to, you could always break everything down as much as possible on here.

What would I personally would look into? I'd start with the basics. I'm not sure if any of this was covered:

1) Does it happen with all projects or one project? Create a brand new project and test it out.

2) In Edit > Preferences > Project - Metronome, give us a rundown of your settings.

2a) What is Output assigned to? It is assigned to a hardware output or a bus?

2b) If it's assigned to a hardware output, do you see any activity in SONAR's Console View indicating that there is activity? Maybe you're not hearing the hardware output properly.

2c) If it's assigned to a bus, what is the bus's output assigned to? Look back to step 2b if you still can't hear it. Do you see metering at all indicating that a sound should be heard?

2d) Do the "First Beat" and "Other Beats" options actually list a sound? If not, you might be missing the actual samples that generate a sound. This happened for some people using the X1 Trial as well. You can resolve it by taking the steps found here: http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013278

3) Obvious question, but do you have the "Playback" and/or "Recording" options selected in the Metronome page? Try toggling them, testing, then toggling them again and testing.

4) When opening a project, do you get a Missing Plug-ins message for "GroovePlayer? If so, you're missing the GroovePlayer.dll that actually generates the metronome sounds. This is an installation related problem and can be resolved by re-installing SONAR or by manually re-installing the correct GroovePlayer build. (We can help you with this if you contact us directly).
 
Lastly, if none of the above are helping, why not get on the phone with us and let us walk you through some stuff? If we strike out than that's on us to figure out what the problem is, not on you. That's what we're here for.

We can't fix things with petitions on the forums. I've been trying my best to hop on here as much as possible lately, and I know some of our other staff who work in other departments have been, but it's really not effective for any of us to support each other this way in the long run. It's also not fair for the customers reaching out directly. I just did a search against our problem reporter since the X1d update, and not a single report lists anything related to metronome issues, yet there are a few threads claiming its not working.

I hope some of the suggestions above might help.

Best regards,

Ryan this was the problem for many (of those that had a problem) - the grooveplayer. What would happen is you did a re-install and then you close Sonar and the next time you open it it was gone again. Something is/was corrupting it each time. That's going back a few versions though.

Mike, Grab the installation instruction pdf on the X1D download page. It lists the install order for all scenarios.