To switch or not to switch?

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2012/03/15 22:08:19 (permalink)

To switch or not to switch?

       Well, I have sonar 7 xl home studio, and i am really getting tired of the limitations. I definitely feel like I am ready to go for a full purchase of a DAW. However, I am not so sure that I want to go with Sonar. I am defiantly leaning towards Cubase, and if I had a mac I would get logic (but I don't so...). I tried studio one and it just did not feel right. I have heavily researched Cubase and it seems so good, and it actually looks professional and looks like it has the workflow I would like. I'm tired of this clunky design in Sonar, even the skylight interface does not look all that good. I really need a program that allows me to record and manipulate many tracks with many VSTs and access the envelopes view, midi view, and track view with ease.
     And just to clear up any possible ideas: I don't want reason or albeton. I looked at them and I am not a big loops person. I also looked and pro tools and it seems like it is more for audio and I am strictly midi right now, so I really don't think I want to go that route. It is mainly a battle of Sonar and Cubase, (and logic if I had a Mac ).
     So could you please give me your opinion on this matter or any experience with the programs that might help in my decision. I really don't want to spend around 500$ and get the wrong program. I want to make this decision right the first time.


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    backwoods
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/15 22:29:23 (permalink)
    I say get Sonar X1 


    Logic is showing it's age now. Even if they started planning LogicX several years ago when they released the last version the DAW world has moved on.


    I always used to say I couldn't put a cigarette paper between Cubase and Sonar (I own both) but Sonar scored slightly higher because it is cheaper. I can honestly now say that Sonar has moved a half step ahead of Cubase 6.5 and when price is taken into account it is a full step ahead.


    There are other fully featured daws that I can't comment on also: Digital Peformer, Samplitude, Pro Tools of course.
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/15 23:01:59 (permalink)
    If notaion is important to you Sonar is a bad choice. 
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/15 23:04:41 (permalink)
    I have finale for that because notation is essential for me. I always notate my compositions first. The DAW is just for making a better sounding track of the compositions.
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/15 23:10:29 (permalink)
    Did you check out the demo's?

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/15 23:31:28 (permalink)
    Apparently Digital Performer is going Windows. Does anyone know if their notation is any good?

    Even with the lack of good notation ability, Sonar is really good.

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 05:17:44 (permalink)
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    Apparently Digital Performer is going Windows. Does anyone know if their notation is any good?

    It is - DP seems particularly popular among composers. 

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 10:22:46 (permalink)

    Guitarpima

    Apparently Digital Performer is going Windows. Does anyone know if their notation is any good? 

    Even with the lack of good notation ability, Sonar is really good. 

    Yes I have, except Cubase. Cubase requires you to buy an E-Licenseser  to try out the demo.
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 10:36:58 (permalink)
    You can try Cubase Elements (no hardware required), if you want to get a feel for Cubase. Pretty skimmed down, but still might give you an idea.


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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:06:44 (permalink)
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    Guitarpima


    Apparently Digital Performer is going Windows. Does anyone know if their notation is any good?

    It is - DP seems particularly popular among composers. 

    +1
     
    and personally I would not thing that Cubase is any better than Sonar in most respects.  it's different, the workflow is different.  but I wouldn't choose it over sonar if I was already familiar with sonar and liked the way it works.  I wouldn't want to learn a new DAW just for that unless there's something that Cubase does better than Sonar that I needed.

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:15:11 (permalink)
    Just looking at that loooooooooooooooong list of unsupported products mentioned in that other thread you started (and not all of them are in there) would make me seriously reconsider switching to anything w/ the Steinberg logo on it. Except Wavelab, maybe.

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:34:52 (permalink)
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    I have finale for that because notation is essential for me. I always notate my compositions first. The DAW is just for making a better sounding track of the compositions.


    I use Sibelius a lot but I really want to be able to compose and do voice leading inside a DAW.  I'm very interested in the ne Windows version of DP.  It has a great DAW implimentation of notation.
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:38:06 (permalink)
    I would suggest reading the reviews of the DAWs in your favorite music publication, mine being Sound on Sound.  See what they say are the limitations and highlights of the DAW in question.  Download a demo or two and check your workflow.

    Does it do what you want it to do and are you comfortable using it?  Perhaps the best choice for you will be 2 DAWs for different reasons.  Let your budget and flow decide.

    All our opinions are nice but we all have a different workflow and this is a very personal decision.

    Personally, I use Sonar X1 for tracking/mixing and Studio One V2 for mastering.

    Best of luck,

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:41:58 (permalink)
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    Just looking at that loooooooooooooooong list of unsupported products mentioned in that other thread you started (and not all of them are in there) would make me seriously reconsider switching to anything w/ the Steinberg logo on it. Except Wavelab, maybe.

    Well, I really don't think so. It's just software companies move forward and you best move forward with them or not. This is why I'm in my dilemma because my version of Home Studio XL is discontinued from Cakewalk.


    I am curious about Digital performer. Does anyone know of a good site (or demo) of it in action?


    So far I am still leaning away from Sonar. These other programs have other features that Sonar has not even begun to think of. And I really don't like the interface and workflow of Sonar x1.
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:49:13 (permalink)
    +1 to what everyone said!! Sonar's Midi engine is quite good and this maybe something you should compare with other DAW's.

    So yeah...........Get X1!!

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 11:54:46 (permalink)
    Rain


    Just looking at that loooooooooooooooong list of unsupported products mentioned in that other thread you started (and not all of them are in there) would make me seriously reconsider switching to anything w/ the Steinberg logo on it. Except Wavelab, maybe.


    I was thinknig the same thing.  I have a light version of Halion and the original The Grand (not the 2.+) but I don't think I've used either one of them in years.  but I would like to have wavelab...

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 13:37:12 (permalink)
    If you are primarily MIDI-based, then Sonar has a fairly mature MIDI implementation.  I use MIDI extensively, and Sonar has always done everything I needed.  I understand that some of the other DAWs are coming along nicely regarding MIDI, but they may not have all the features you need.  So, all that being said, you probably have your homework cut out for you ...

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 14:08:15 (permalink)
    There are a few things from this thread that I have learned...

    1) People can leave out information in their biased opinions...
    2) It is definitively good to get opinions from others before buying an expensive DAW and other products (opinions do matter).
    3) I am a Sonar Cakewalk User....



    Cubase just pretty much does everything that Sonar does (even though that it does have some better midi editing features.) But out of the box Sonar is a much better program. It has usable Vsts and effects and now it has a professional interface. Plus, it would be such a pain to switch all my current sonar files to Cubase. That would be a nightmare. Finally, Why in the heck should I buy a e-licenser to run Cubase, let alone demo it!


    Bottom Line: I'm not switching. Sonar x1 Producer Here I Come...



    Thanks for all the helpful opinions and ideas!
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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/16 15:42:09 (permalink)
    Good for you Gat19g!!
    The current version/updates of X1 has made it a very stable DAW and if you'd like to change the look of Sonar......check out Panu's mods.....really enhanced my X1 experience. 

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    Re:To switch or not to switch? 2012/03/24 22:31:26 (permalink)
    It's official, I have a pair of KRK RP5s with Sonar x1 Producer on the way!
    I am a sonar cakewalk user...
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