wicker1000
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Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
Hi folks, Newbie/hobbyist here... I have an electric bass player coming to lay down a bass track for an Americana/country song (which will also have male vocals, dobro slide, Martin dread acoustic rhythm guitar, and sparse percussion). He's an out of towner so I want to get it right. I expect he'll do some 1-5-1-5 bluegrassy type bass jumps, and some run downs etc. He has a Fender bass and some type of bass amp (also Fender I believe). I have 2 Shure SM57 mics, an MXL V88 conderser mic, and some AKG condenser mics. My instinct tells me to mic the bass amp with a SM57, and maybe set up the MXL condenser mic somewhere to pick up some room depth (like 6 feet away). I can also split signal and do a separate direct line in to my PreSonus audio box. Am I on the right track? Any suggestions on setup, mic placement, etc? Will be recording in Sonar x1 Producer. Thanks wicker1000
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batsbrew
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Re:Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
2012/03/17 14:45:22
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no room sounds on the bass. keep it clean, and tight. if you can, i STRONGLY RECOMMEND taking a direct signal as well. it's much better to use a direct box, and get the signal strong and clean, but if you don't have that, and have a direct out on the amp, use it. spend enough time to get a good signal with plenty of headroom from the direct. use only one mic on the amp, and one direct line. do not put anything on the individual tracks, in terms of fx. just run it straight, so that what you hear, is what you get. if it aint right, fix it AT THE BASS.... AT THE AMP...... ideally, you'll run the mic (and the direct line) thru their own processors (mic preamp, external compressor, or limiter) and do some low end rolloff (31 hz and down isn't a bad spot to shoot for) you'll want peaks no higher than about -12. this assumes tracking at 24 bit/44.1khz. this will give you plenty of headroom for mixing later, and will plenty hot enough for a good clean signal. spend extra time with TUNING. and make sure you have your dynamics on the bass signal under control. compressors/limiters placed as PLUGINS, have no bearing on your PRE_CONVERTER signals, remember that. they are placed POST signal, and do no good whatsoever.
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Re:Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
2012/03/17 15:09:26
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Middleman
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Re:Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
2012/03/17 15:23:33
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I'm with Batsbrew as well except, in the spirit of some options, I would put up a room mic about 16 feet away not 6 because your average bass note is that long. At 6 feet you will be capturing a bounce of the bass note from some nearby object and you may not like the sound, or potentially be in a null and capture nothing much usable. If the space won't allow this, just go direct with a transformer or tube based DI if you can get hold of one. Also capture the amp as well. The low end DIs tend to capture a thin on top or woolly on the bottom tone. If his amp has a DI out, use that. If you can get hold of a compressor, even a pedal based unit, you might experiment with that as well but very lightly. More important, if you have an impatient musician or limited time, just get it in the box and add effects later. If you get someone who is passionate about tone, try recording DI, amp and distant so you have some options. There is nothing more fun than a musician who wants to experiment a bit to get the best tone. At the end of the day you both feel better.
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wicker1000
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Re:Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
2012/03/17 17:24:00
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Thanks guys, i really appreciate the pointers. I'll use my A/B box to split signal, one through the amp (for mic'ing), and one to my DI box. I'll check to see if there's a line out on the amp, not sure. So would you suggest I use my Boss Compressor guitar stomp box to tame the signal a bit? Also, any suggestions for sweet spot placement of the SM57 to mic the amp? Thanks again! wicker1000
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Middleman
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Re:Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
2012/03/17 17:42:13
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wicker1000 So would you suggest I use my Boss Compressor guitar stomp box to tame the signal a bit? Also, any suggestions for sweet spot placement of the SM57 to mic the amp? The compressor, yes, if it sounds good. But if it is too restrictive or screws with the sound then no. I would not use the SM57 for bass unless you are going for a sound with less low end. I would opt for a Shure Beta 52 or AKG D12 or even a Yamaha SKRM-100 SubKick which is not too expensive.
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Re:Recording Electric Bass (session tomorrow) - Tips?
2012/03/17 17:47:55
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The simplest approach is to use a DI box. Connect the bass dircetly to the DI input. Connect the Link output of the DI back to the amp. Connect the 600 balanced line to your recording mixer or interface. (You may need to send phantom power from the record mixer or interface to power the DI, or use a fresh battery in the DI, phantom is better if it is available) A/B box not necessary and does that not switch rather than split? You could connect the bass directly to the amp and use a DI output on the amp if there is one. Be careful that the DI on the amp is sending the signal at the right stage ie pre EQ etc. If in doubt use the DI on the bass instead. Do NOT use any silly effects such as you suggest in the recording chain anywhere. You will regret it. Mike the amp with a large diaphragm mic dircetly in front of the cab. (57 NOT great for this but will work) I usually prefer the DI sound even when I do this. Micing the amp is only worthwhile if the bass sound coming from the speaker is exceptional, in most cases it is not. It is usually worse than the DI sound. Just set your levels correctly and you won't distort the bass signal. If the bass player is good you will get an even level right the way through. Make the sure the bass player gives you a wide open sound ie full volume and max tone. He can set the sound on the amp if he needs to.
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