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2012/03/24 18:01:43 (permalink)

XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system

I have finally installed Windows 7 (64-bit) on a partition I had reserved for it when I first built the PC.  I took me a year to get round to this, as XP has been working so well that there was no real motivation for me to change.  I spent a couple of days getting all of the programs installed/registered/configured/etc., and they all work fine (aside from one particular plugin: 2c-Aether).  I have stuck with the 32-bit versions of Sonar and plugins so far.

But there is a serious problem with performance.  Any operations that involve HDD access are noticeably slow compared to the same operations running on XP.  This applies to all 3 HDDs.  Any clues?

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    slartabartfast
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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/25 13:44:14 (permalink)
    Hints? Maybe. Answers No
     
    Power settings. Are your drives turning off and taking time to spin up again? You mignt be able to hear the answer to this unless your drives are very quiet.
     
    Problems with drivers and mode. XP did not directly access SATA drives (required translation) Did you install the OS with the drives in legacy or AHCI  or raid mode? Do you have the latest drivers for your motherboard disk controller?
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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 03:04:05 (permalink)
    slartabartfast

    Do you have the latest drivers for your motherboard disk controller?
    I installed all the Windows7 64-bit drivers downloaded from this page:
    http://www.gigabyte.com/p...-page.aspx?pid=3527#dl

    I seem to remember that there was an error message after installing one of the drivers, but I didn't pay much attention at the time.  Maybe I should try installing them all again.
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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 06:58:13 (permalink)
    Did you install the Intel motherboard chipset drivers BEFORE installing device drivers?  If not, some of the devices may not work or some drivers will not even install if the chipset drivers were not installed.

    Win 7 will install many drivers, however some are old version drivers or just generic drivers and they may not work correctly.  For example, Windows will usually install the "HD Audio Codec" for the Integrated (on the motherboard) sound chips and in many cases that either does not work or does not work correctly. 

    In many cases the install sequence is (1) Install Windows (2) Install motherboard chipset drivers (3) Install Device drivers such as Video, sound, ethernet, etc. (and installing applicable PC or motherboard vendor device drivers is preferred).

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 07:46:42 (permalink)
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    Did you install the OS with the drives in legacy or AHCI  or raid mode?
    I've no idea.



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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 07:48:30 (permalink)
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    Did you install the Intel motherboard chipset drivers BEFORE installing device drivers?
    Yes.

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 08:00:35 (permalink)
    fireberd

    In many cases the install sequence is (1) Install Windows (2) Install motherboard chipset drivers (3) Install Device drivers such as Video, sound, ethernet, etc. (and installing applicable PC or motherboard vendor device drivers is preferred).
    That was pretty much the sequence that I followed, although I omitted the onboard audio.

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 08:17:28 (permalink)
    what are your drives set to in the bios?
    IDE mode or raid or what. it should not be IDE mode
    also did you do AHCI?

    if not thats the issue

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 08:23:57 (permalink)
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    Did you install the OS with the drives in legacy or AHCI  or raid mode?
    I've no idea.
    I now realize that you were referring to a BIOS setting, so I have just checked.  ICH Sata Control Mode is set to IDE.

    [I missed Scott's post above]
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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/26 08:31:42 (permalink)
    jcschild

    what are your drives set to in the bios?
    IDE mode or raid or what. it should not be IDE mode
    also did you do AHCI?

    if not thats the issue
    It's set to IDE mode.  If I change this setting, will it cause any problems with XP?

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/31 01:04:19 (permalink)
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    what are your drives set to in the bios?
    IDE mode or raid or what. it should not be IDE mode
    also did you do AHCI?
    It's set to IDE mode.  If I change this setting, will it cause any problems with XP?
    I tried changing to AHCI mode.  The result was Blue Screen for both XP and W7.  Back to IDE and it's working again.

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/03/31 12:38:48 (permalink)
    you have to do a complete reinstall for AHCI.... or suffer the lack of performance in win7 with ide mode
    technically this is not supposed to work
    XP i cant recall if the is a work around.. 

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/04/01 01:56:32 (permalink)
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    you have to do a complete reinstall for AHCI.... or suffer the lack of performance in win7 with ide mode
    technically this is not supposed to work
    XP i cant recall if the is a work around.. 
    I feel reluctant to mess with my existing XP setup, which has been running smoothly with no hiccups for over a year now.  I will probably stick with it for a while longer.  I am not ready to move to W7 until I can verify that all the main software that I use works properly on that platform.  Most of it does seem to work, except for one particular plugin, the 2c-Aether Reverb.

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/04/01 08:42:17 (permalink)
    I tried changing to AHCI mode. The result was Blue Screen for both XP and W7.

     
    The problem is that the driver you are loading at boot is for IDE mode, so it can't read the drive which it sees as being AHCI after the bios change. It is possible to change the mode to AHCI from IDE after installation of XP or Win7. I would make shure I had a good image of the system before I started messing with it. I suspect you would need to change both OS's to AHCI, although you might be able to kludge around that by entering the bios every time you plan to boot into XP and changing back to IDE if that is how XP is set up to run. At any rate, you should be able to see if Win7 with AHCI solves your drive problem. Remeber that you may need to install the specific motherboard AHCI controller drivers after you have managed to get Win7 to boot in AHCI mode in order to get full benefit.
     
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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/04/02 09:57:56 (permalink)
    you have to do a complete reinstall for AHCI.... or suffer the lack of performance in win7 with ide mode technically this is not supposed to work XP i cant recall if the is a work around..

     
    FWIW, you can switch to AHCI or RAID mode (after the fact) in Win7.
    Haven't found a reliable means of doing this with WinXP (we don't do much with XP at this point).

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/04/05 18:19:38 (permalink)
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    ...you might be able to kludge around that by entering the bios every time you plan to boot into XP and changing back to IDE if that is how XP is set up to run...
    I don't think this would work.  It can access Boot Manager only when in the correct mode for W7.

    By the way, thanks for the links.  I will check these out.
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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/04/05 18:21:11 (permalink)
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    FWIW, you can switch to AHCI or RAID mode (after the fact) in Win7.
    Haven't found a reliable means of doing this with WinXP (we don't do much with XP at this point).
    If it was the other way round it would suit me.  I am quite happy to reinstall W7 from scratch but I don't want to mess with the existing XP setup.

    The only reason why I have been using IDE mode is that it was the default setting in the BIOS.  I am wondering why this was the case if AHCI is the recommended mode for both W7 and Vista.

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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/07/31 04:53:47 (permalink)

    I gave up on this a while back but returned to it again last weekend.  I tried disabling core parking and the problem now seems to have disappeared.  Not sure why core parking should affect harddrive activity.

    Sonar now appears to be working fine in this Windows 7 64-bit setup.  However there are lots of other problems with softsynths.  I'm too busy to tackle them right now.


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    Re:XP runs better than 64-bit W7 on my system 2012/07/31 14:05:53 (permalink)
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    I have finally installed Windows 7 (64-bit) on a partition I had reserved for it when I first built the PC.  I took me a year to get round to this, as XP has been working so well that there was no real motivation for me to change.  I spent a couple of days getting all of the programs installed/registered/configured/etc., and they all work fine (aside from one particular plugin: 2c-Aether).  I have stuck with the 32-bit versions of Sonar and plugins so far.

    But there is a serious problem with performance.  Any operations that involve HDD access are noticeably slow compared to the same operations running on XP.  This applies to all 3 HDDs.  Any clues?

    Here is one of the faults! MatroxP690? 128mb? To bad performance even for XP

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    ...there is a serious problem with performance.  Any operations that involve HDD access are noticeably slow compared to the same operations running on XP.  This applies to all 3 HDDs.  Any clues?
    Here is one of the faults! MatroxP690? 128mb? To bad performance even for XP
    The graphics are ok.  The screen image updates smoothly with no jerkiness.  I have used similar cards with larger monitors in the past without any problems.

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