Can no longer bounce to track after X1d upgrade

To bounce a MIDI track to audio using an external synth, you must record the external synths output in real time. A softsynth can be "bounced" using fast bounce but a real synth has to be played.

It has always been like that and always will be. You must be mistaken if you think you've done that differently with external gear.

Not sure how that happened prior - but what FBB told you is fact. You can't bounce an external like an internal. You have to play and record the external device.

mpop


FastBikerBoy,


I HAVE bounced like stated above at least 100 times before.  I record live midi using external device which does record a midi track.    That midi track is then selected as well as a blank audio track.  Then I can bounce to a new audio track with the converted to audio. It's not magic.  I have taken a complete midi song, 
that I downloaded from the net that I did not play that was recorded in GM (General Midi) changed the GM midi to midi from Motif Rack (better quality), then bounced each track to audio.


mpop


Life is Music

I think I must have misunderstood your post then, sorry.

If it is an external sound generator that is playing the MIDI track data, regardless of where you have recorded that MIDI from then you have to at some point record the audio from that device via it's audio out. You need to have it's outputs connected to your computer sound interface in some way. That is what you record and can also be referred to as a 'bounce'. I thought you were referring to using the command "bounce to track" to achieve that and if it's possible to do that I am unaware of it but it's certainly something I'll be investigating as 95% of my MIDI tracks are sound generated by external gear.

My apologies once again, I'll leave it to others to help out as I didn't think it possible.

EDIT: I see saintom has you covered.

Saintom


If I remember correctly you can put the External Insert in the FX bin and just use the returns in the External Insert plug in. and this will also make it possible to Bounce external sound generators (synths), as long as fast bounce is unchecked.

I think for the first way I posted, you have to arm the track for recording, but with the External inset plug in, you do not need to arm the audio track.


HTH

Tom

I've just looked at this again and I think I must be misunderstanding the question/point. If I have a MIDI track routed to an external synth and select it to "bounce to track" I get the "no audio to bounce" warning, exactly as I'd expect.

If I add an audio track with inputs set to my external synth and select the MIDI and audio track, then select "bounce to track" I get asked which track I want to bounce the audio to, but that still isn't going to bounce (record) audio from the external synth. All that does is bounce the empty audio track to a new audio track. Again exactly as I'd expect.

The live input option is AFAIK only present in the "Export" dialogue box. It is something I have used successfully but rarely use as I normally want to do some form of processing on the audio from the synth.

I've either missed the point/question completely or stand by my earlier post where I said it isn't possible and AFAIK never has been or will be simply because of the need to record/play the external synth. The method as I understand the OP is asking (again AFAIK) will only work with softsynths.

I don't have an external synth so I can't test this, But I just did a quick routing test to see if my thought would work as I remember they do.

What I did was

1. set up a audio track
2 added the External insert plug in into the FX bin,  set the return port picker of the EI Inputs 9 and 10(RME Fireface 800 )
3 Set up my laptop audio out to my sound cards to Inputs 9 and 10(RME Fireface 800 )
4 Selected "time" by scrubbing the timeline
5 Selected Bounce to tracks
6 In the bounce to track dialog, I change the destination to the track with the EI, Unchecked Fast bounce, selected Live Input.
7 Pressed OK
8 Sonar started rolling, I could hear what I was "bouncing" (no I was not using the RME to monitor my input signal, in fact I had my input on the audio track set to none)
9 When Sonar stopped "bouncing" my selection, I had a wavform, that played back what I had just bounced.

with this theory of mine.

My guess is one could Have a MIDI track that is driving an external synth, and a audio track set up like I did, but in the return port, make sure that it is set up to receive your signal from your external synth, and it will bounce your external synth to the audio track.

Actually I know it will work as I used to do this when I did use external synths.

HTH

Tom

No worries, actually I just went back to try something else and found out that you don't have to check Live Input in the Bounce to track dialog. 

Just uncheck Fast bounce and the incoming audio will be printed during a bounce.

Tom

From the manual page 883

Bouncing tracks
The Track view Tracks > Bounce to Track(s) command lets you combine one or more audio tracks
into a submix. A submix can be a mono track, a stereo track or several mono tracks that contain the
mixture of the original tracks, preserving the volume, pan, and effects for each track. If you’re
bouncing tracks that are routed to a surround bus (SONAR Producer only), you can bounce them to
as many mono tracks as you have surround channels, by choosing the Split Mono option in the
Channel Format field of the Bounce to Tracks dialog, and also choosing a surround bus in the
Source Category field. After their creation, the submix tracks are just like any other tracks—you can
edit them, add effects, copy them to another project, etc. The original, unmixed audio tracks are not
deleted, so you can archive them and recover them later, or continue using them as before.
The Track view Tracks > Bounce to Track(s) command operates completely offline, meaning you
can mix down tracks that may be too complex for your machine to actually play in real time.
Here are some reasons to use Bounce to Track(s):
• Your mix is so complex that real-time playback is impossible. Bounce to Track(s) produces the
correct mix, and store the result in a new track or tracks.
• You require more CPU time for your real-time effects. With Bounce to Track(s), you can premix
some of your tracks with real-time effects applied, saving CPU time during playback.
If you mix down to tracks that already have data, the new events are placed in the track, but do not
overwrite existing material.
To mix down (bounce) audio tracks
1. Set all volume, pan, effects, and automation settings just as you want them.
2. Select the tracks or clips you want to mix down.
3. If you are using effects on the tracks and want to mix the effects down at this time, select the
whole length of the longest track or clip plus an extra measure for the reverb or effects “tail.”
4. Click the Track view Tracks menu and choose Bounce to Track(s) to open the Bounce to
Track(s) dialog.