EtherealEntity
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Synth remote controls in Track Template?
Hey guys. I have an audio track with Guitar Rig on it, running in soft synth mode so that it can accept MIDI using the Remote Control feature on the synth rack. I want to be able to insert this as a Track Template, but the synth rack stuff doesn't load up with it. It only seems to work as a Project Template which is not ideal as this is a guitar setting I wish to be able to bring into new projects. Thanks!
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EtherealEntity
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 10:00:25
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 11:23:13
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ok, i tried this, it should work according to the help file, but there's definitely something weird going on: (from the normal template with 1 audio & 1 midi track) gr4 is configured as synth --> inserted into audio fx bin via right-click; console --> options --> fx --> check show assignable controls; file --> export --> track template, save etc... now, weirdness: when i originally inserted gr4 in the audio fx bin, the (original blank) midi track's output was changed to gr4 (why?); the midi track also now has cc params showing for automation... when i insert a new audio track from template, it inserts both audio & midi tracks with no gr4 params showing on the audio track, but on the midi track instead... 8-S
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 11:59:04
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Have you tried using it as a normal audio insert FX and then adding an ACT controller? Thats how I control Guitar Rig in my DAW. What version are you running of SONAR and Guitar Rig? SONAR X1d expanded here.
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EtherealEntity
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 13:57:23
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EDIT: I always seem to come in writing a load of updates, sorry for the spam! If you read my final post you'll see half of what I've written can be ignored. Back to the original issue of synth controls in templates and the section below that I have bolded. X1D expanded, GR4 :) Pwal, that's a method of saving templates that I never knew. I usually just right click the track. However, same result either way. As of yet I hadn't used a MIDI track actually. I'd just been playing live like it (it's using my pedalboard to control wah in GR and such). However, I've just inserted a MIDI track to record the data as I would if recording a performance. It sounds on tracking but not on playback! Can anyone confirm similar issues? EDIT: Non issue- If I just press Write on the audio track there is no need for a MIDI track at all and everything works as desired. Your post confused me a little but it sounds like when you 'insert synth' and the option comes up to display automation either on the audio or MIDI track. In the synth rack there is a drop down to choose where you want it displayed. Further issues! Say I was happy with this situation to set up the remote controls again in each project (which I am not, this is an incredibly complicated setup far more than 'wah' like I said earlier). The option to show assignable controls in the synth rack isn't even there anymore when inserting from template. Wookie - Yes. I've strayed away from ACT. I've never used it much so maybe I haven't learnt it properly - I'll have to have another playaround if this doesn't work out. However, if you have a look at this thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2496469&mpage=1#2498020 You may see my issues with it and confirm if it's just me not knowing how to use it! Complete different topic here but related to the same project template. Post number 4 by me explains my issues with ACT. The thread itself I've since resolved (what I wanted to do was impossible.) "I've never really used ACT before. I got the impression it's used for settings that 'move around' - i.e. I could find this affecting other channels and plugins by accident if I don't know what I'm doing? That's why I tried to use remote control - it seems to be a lot more about individual messages for single parameters. " Individual messages for single parameters. Not changing when I have other channels etc selected as would usually be DESIRED when using ACT.
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 15:23:55
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I believe I can explain that simpler, so that you may be able to persuade me into using ACT: How can I set up so that multiple instances of the same control on the same plugin on different tracks, reacts to different controls? The ACT menu only controls the plugin itself, not individual instances of it. For example Softtube Acoustic Feedback -Feedback Knob. Two instances, one on Track 1 one on Track 2. I want Track one to take CC1 and track two to take CC2 for example. I also can't seem to 'ignore' the left hand column on the Act Menu (cakewalk generic surface) so when I go to set the Feedback control for example, I end up with something assigned to Parameter 1:Solo for example.
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 15:28:02
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Also the fact that if I change channel with my pedalboard (by means of the pedal muting track one and unmuting track two) the instance of Feedback that ACT is controlling is not changed until I click the plugin. Basically ACT can't work for what I want it to do, it seems. Which is a shame, because being able to write automation on the track in such a simple way is great! Now that I've played around again and recapped myself on ACT and ruled it out, back to the original issue I guess!
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 15:39:34
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I see what you mean. I think because ACT's focus is on the currently active or last touched controllable area, i.e. consul, GR, or other plugin it is not aware that you have changed the device you wish to control without some mousing around. Seems this may be another are where ACT does meet your needs. I will have a play at some point and see if I can come up with something may take a day or two. Sorry I could not help immediately.
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/09 15:46:48
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 No problem! I appreciate the help and was excited for a moment that I seemed to have solved SOME issues with ACT before remebering that it couldn't change plugin without clicking. For some applications like Mixing it is indeed great. I appreciate I have a very strange setup going on here (pedalboard switching Track mutes to achieve various live guitar patches with use of many plugins, rather than just patches in Guitar Rig for example), plus all the automation I'm using for various effects with expression pedals. When doing something wacky, I can't expect all software to be able to cater to me, haha! The setup I've actually got going in the Pedalboard project is perfect now. It's just now I'm at the point where I'd like to save individual tracks as a 'Tone' that I can insert into later projects and have all my effect controls available to me already, as was the plan, and finding it doesn't actually work. Seems that that part of the synth rack simply isn't saved as part of the track template. Wouldn't be such a huge problem if I could reassign stuff, but like I said, the assignable controls button dissapears! Which in itself wouldn't be the worst problem - I could start from scratch and insert everything as an Expanded FX Chain to at least have the sound set up for me...but plugins enabled as synth can't be in FX Chains. Christ, my list of issues is endless haha! Maybe one day I will make some music, lol
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EtherealEntity
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Re:Synth remote controls in Track Template?
2012/04/10 11:58:54
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Bump! Anyone got any genius ideas to achieve what I want? Found the recall assignable controls thing which WOULD allow me to do this in a few steps...however it only works for inserted synths and not inserted plugins configured as synths.
post edited by EtherealEntity - 2012/04/10 12:29:56
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