Matrix Request

I have requested this feature, but the more the merrier.

I have used a Boss RC50 Looper for years and basically run it out of space.  I purchased the RC300 (theoretically the successor) but sent it back as they made some glaring mistakes and omissions.  It occurs to me that he matrix is really close to being a useful looper (not so much for live looping but for playback).  A single cell can contain anything from a loop to an entire backing track. However, I would love to see "Loop end" as a change option.  At the moment a measure is the longest trigger sync point.  When I am organized as a Intro, Verse, Chorus, Break structure, I don't really want to have to be at the pedal board 1 measure out to change loops - I want to be able to hit the pedal for the chorus loop anytime that the verse loop is running for example (This is fairly typical behavior for hardware loopers). I did take a look at Ableton and is does not have this option either - 8 bars is max sync time. (Actually I am relieved - I don't really want to layout serious money for one feature when I am already invested in Sonar).  The other useful feature for me would be a choice of stop modes - immediate, end, or fade.

So if you are into the Matrix, and want to get these features please ask for them.  (Yes i know this is self serving  but it doesn't make it a bad idea).

Unfortunately the RC 300 is a bit of an expensive door stop, and with a few mods, Matrix would work a treat.

Cheers

Grif

There is nothing wrong with a user request for add functionality. I'm not that familiar with the Matrix but others have also requested further development for it. I'm not against it. If that helps.

Grif
I am ashamed to say that I have not really tried it out properly - every moment I spend on X1 seems to be all work  (no bad thing) and no play. How's the 'virtual' gigs going?

the matrix is a very powerful writing tool imo.i use it to arrange my songs before ive made up my mind on the song arrangment..verse,bridge,chorus,exc...im not sure why alot of us over look it maybe because we are used to the conventional way of using the t.v. and c.v.

daryl1968


Charlie - I'm going to give this a go. Can you drop multiple clips to one cell? Like a whole verse or chorus?

Thanks Guys - feeling the love.


Setting up the matrix is fairly easy.  I'll offer a couple of scenarios for live use.


Intro / Verse / Solo / Outro.


For this scenario you can use a column, for each clip. You can use a single row if your clips are already mixed down (easier on resources)  or multiple rows if you want to point to your original clips in place.  I'll stay with the single row for simplicity.  With a pedal board (Behringer FCB1010 works well for this)  map a pedal to each of the 4 columm headers. (Only one cell can be active for each row, so mapping to the column headers forces the whole column to switch.  This works, except that you have to be attentive to your changes and the closest sync you can have is a measure.  In real terms it means you cannot start off the into, and press the pedal for the verse at any time, you have to press it within a measure of the loop end.  So that is the first request - "Add trigger on end of longest clip" to the options.


For this specific example which has an intro and an outro, it is possible to add a fade in and fade out to the clip itself as it these clips are likely to be used once.  You know have a setup you can use to play a song with as few or as many verses as you like, soling whenever.


Instrument scenario.  This is when you have a fairly straightforwards loop, but the instruments are are separated.  This is so you can bring things in and out  ( Avirtual audience you have to provide handclaps and tambourines for them to pretend to play, a real audience they will have them already).  Like wise, if you have a guest bass  player for example you can turn off the track base.


In this scenario you arrange the clips either in once column and map to the individual cells, in a diagonal arrangement, so you can map to the columns and /or the cells, or - my favorite - a column per scene - Drums alone, Drums and bass, Drums bass, and tambourines etc.  This lets you map to column headers and switch at will.


Again if you are mapping to column headers, the "end on loop" scenario is useful.  The other feature request here is the stop mode - immediate, end of loop, and fade.  A fade in on start option would be useful too in this scenario - Because these are loops, the start and end need to be consistent, but a string pad for example should fade in.


You can also use a mix of loops and complete back tracks for the performance.  Keep the back tracks in a single column, turn off looping, don't map to that column and use the mouse to start the tracks.


Matrix is really not set up for live loping.


Cheers

Grif

Hey, Grif. I use the MV a bit (although I too wish it was more developed). Perhaps if you bounce/mix down your backing tracks into one single clip, them you can drop it into the MV. If that doesn't give you the versatility you need, I am almost certain you can create a MIDI map to trigger clips at a specific time. I would have to look into this for the possibilities and the how to. I will check it out and get back to you. Kind regards, Living Room Rocker

thanks a bunch for the info Grif - I will be trying it out over the weekend.
I will also find a way to check you out in virtual gig land :)