Boydie
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Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
Hi All
Is it possible to insert level envelopes as a proportion/percentage of the track volume
e.g.
I have a vocal take that I am happy with but I want to increase the level of the vocal during the chorus and drop it down after (this is a simple example)
I want to be able to draw my envelope to achieve this
I then want to be able to increase or decrease the track volume level (using the track fader) e.g. during the mix, whilst maintaining the level boost
When I have previously played with envelopes I have found that they are "absolute" and stay fixed to their volume levels despite what happens to the track fader after creating them
I hope this makes sense
How do you guys incorporate automation into your workflow?
If you have drawn your envelopes and then make a change to the track volume level via the track fader do you need to re-draw all of your envelopes?
Thanks
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/13 20:39:34
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Boydie
How do you guys incorporate automation into your workflow?
If you have drawn your envelopes and then make a change to the track volume level via the track fader do you need to re-draw all of your envelopes?
I would normally output the track to a bus and use the bus's fader to control the level.
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
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You've found a use for "offset mode". Press 'O' (oh!) and you will be amazed to find all your faders and other widgets at 0. And with a '+' next to their names (e.g. vol+). You can tweak them and get a constant offset to any of the envelopes you've drawn. Press 'O' again to get back to "envelope mode".
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/13 21:53:43
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You've found a use for "offset mode". Press 'O'...
I was reluctant to mention Offset Mode. I have never used it myself, apart from once accidentally, and I believe that it may cause confusion which would outweigh the benefits. It has been discussed here before, but this is the first time that I have ever seen anyone actually recommending it.
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/14 00:34:59
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bvideo
You've found a use for "offset mode". Press 'O'...
I was reluctant to mention Offset Mode. I have never used it myself, apart from once accidentally, and I believe that it may cause confusion which would outweigh the benefits. It has been discussed here before, but this is the first time that I have ever seen anyone actually recommending it.
I agree somewhat with what you're saying, and your bus recommendation above is more traceable. Usually the only time we hear about offset mode is when someone unknowingly hit 'O' and fell into offset mode. Offset mode is perfectly legitimate, but easy to forget and not very visible. If someone forgets which mode they were in and starts adjusting other controls, it can make for a lot of confusion. The benefit vs. buses may depend on how many.
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/14 01:35:11
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bvideo
You've found a use for "offset mode". Press 'O'...
I was reluctant to mention Offset Mode. I have never used it myself, apart from once accidentally, and I believe that it may cause confusion which would outweigh the benefits. It has been discussed here before, but this is the first time that I have ever seen anyone actually recommending it.
...Offset mode is perfectly legitimate, but easy to forget and not very visible. If someone forgets which mode they were in and starts adjusting other controls, it can make for a lot of confusion.
I also believe that Offset Mode would be more useful if there was something to indicate that it has been used on a track while in normal mode. It is too easy to forget where you have applied it.
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/14 02:57:54
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Use trim. It's the easiest and fastest way.
post edited by Kalle Rantaaho - 2012/04/14 02:59:19
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/14 04:58:30
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Using trim is ok, but you'll need to re-visit the threshold/input/drive of any dynamics processors on your track.
You can, however, select the whole of the envelope and drag it up/down
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/14 09:57:57
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If someone forgets which mode they were in and starts adjusting other controls, it can make for a lot of confusion. 
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/14 19:47:14
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Kalle Rantaaho
Use trim. It's the easiest and fastest way.
In a similar way, most of my tracks start with a rough in at the fader, then a lot of the moves on Gain envelopes. Then the final moves on either the gain or fader automations. Clearly there's also a consideration of which/when if there's a compressor on the track.
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Re:Volume Envelopes As % Of Track Volume?
2012/04/15 13:17:42
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Thanks guys
Loads of useful replies
I think using the envelope on the vocal track and outputting to a vocal bus is the easiest method to achieve what I am after
Often the simplest solutions are the best and I can't believe I didn't think of this myself - DOH!
I had always been put off using envelopes but I will give them another go now I have this method
Thanks again
Boydie
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