Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar.

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2012/04/15 12:40:09 (permalink)

Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar.

Does anyone know where cakewalk has their license terms listed for Sonar? The example they give at youtube is for garage band http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/ Youtube has yanked my ads from a music video I made and that's one of the things they're looking for is the license terms for sonar. Thanks for any help!
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/04/15 12:50:58 (permalink)
    Here is the EUA
    www.cakewalk.com/Download/files/EULA_Downloads.pdf
    It seems a bit crazy. Do they also want a license agreement for the Les Paul you played the guitar solo on? (for example)
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/04/15 14:09:54 (permalink)
    Thank you. Yeah seems a bit extreme, normally if you just click no to all their questions they dont even review the video. I hit yes to music, and now need to prove I am who I say I am, that I am not under contract with any record label and that my work is ok to use on youtube. I guess if it helps keep SOPA away I can deal with it.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/04/15 14:29:42 (permalink)
    Is there a link to your video?

    I'm curious about the context.

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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/04/15 14:43:17 (permalink)
    link?


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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/04/15 15:07:56 (permalink)
    How was Sonar used? video screen shot? Verbal? just curious.

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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/15 22:41:25 (permalink)
    Sorry forgot all about this thread until yesterday when yet another video had its ads disabled, once again I have to appeal it..... The music is what's getting it flagged. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZJk-c2CAxk I wrote, I played, I recorded the music, its all original.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/15 23:25:07 (permalink)
    This is what I just resent them in response to them yanking the ads again.
    I am Jeff Northam. I personally took every picture as with the video that was used within the video. The car is my car and all the work done to the car was done by me. I wrote, played, and recorded the music. It is an original piece. I even put a page up on my website stating that it's ok for the youtube user jeffie7 to use any content of Jeff Northam. http://www.jeffnortham.com/youtube.html I used Cake Walk's Sonar X1 for the recording software. Attached is the end users license agreement from Cakewalk. I used EastWest's sample library for some of the instruments, the EULA can be found here. http://www.soundsonline.c...User-License-Agreement I also used the sound library from Kontakt 8 by a company called Native Instruments for some of the instruments. The EULA for Native Instruments can be found here. http://www.native-instrum...ense-agreement/#c26347 If the video is still not eligible for monetization, please explain in detail as to why so I can correct the issue. Thank You. Jeff Northam
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/15 23:28:05 (permalink)
    Sounds like they are looking to verify you are the artist because you clicked something saying it's original music. If you are part of the songwriters guild that is likely the info they are looking for otherwise they are probably looking for the publisher's info to verify you are authorized to upload the track (like a label rep). If you upload your song without these things then it is just out there and anyone can steal it and make it their own (or you would have to contest it in court proving you wrote the song if you wanted royalties). If it is someone else' material and you upload it, that is illegal without proper authorization. They are essentially just covering their asses as far as getting attacked by the RIAA and the like. If you don't care what happens to your tracks uncheck those boxes and maybe it'll work but your uploads may now be flagged for review. If you DO care about your tracks then copyright protect them through standard songwriter's guild procedures or contact a music copyright lawyer.
    Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer... I am not YOUR lawyer and any advice given here is mere speculation and blah dee blah blah from just another droog on the internet.

    Good luck.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/15 23:34:48 (permalink)
    hmm... perhaps I misread that. If you are displaying any Cakewalk logos in your vid without express permission from CW or Roland that would be copyright infringement but I'm sure if you contacted CW support you could figure it out with them. Sorry for my earlier rant... little brain derped at the moment.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/15 23:50:20 (permalink)
    Check out the video, its pictures of my car with music that I wrote. No logos, no trademarks.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 00:02:14 (permalink)
    Yeah... I took a peek. I still think you just clicked the wrong button somewhere. When you upload stuff like that and you don't care about copyright just upload it normally without all the fancy copyright stuff. Once you affiliate it with a brand or artist or elude to copyrighted/trademarked material they're gonna make you jump through hoops. Again it's all lawyer crap. I'm not a youtube uploader but I do know they seriously have to cover their asses when it comes to things like this. Maybe remove it and upload again without all the extra details about the music and X1 and whatever.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 00:05:16 (permalink)
    Or perhaps... and I've never done this... but if you are using X1 and publishing to youtube try X1's publishing tools (it'll upload stuff directly to youtube, soundcloud, etc...). That might shut their yaps. I have not even come close to using that function yet though (nor do I find it particularly appealing) so I don't know.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 00:22:51 (permalink)
    No I've got my share of videos on youtube that are running ads. First time uploading a video with my own music in it I listed it as something I wrote, pretty much everything I just sent them but without the EULA or the website page. Got told nope! With no explanation other than it has content I cant use. That was when Youtube offered you to add explanations as video details when you upload it. Now when you upload videos, it no longer asked you any details about music details, film details, photo details, it just uploads, once reviewed it gets blocked for ads, and then you have to appeal their decision and an explanation as to why you are allowed to use the video. I've been on youtube since 2005 and have had ads in half my videos for the last 2 years. Only time it has been an issue has been when I added my own music.... go figure.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 00:31:46 (permalink)
    Well you have to understand youtube is changing... A LOT. So is the general make up of the internet and the laws surrounding it. All these sites (youtube is now owned and operated by google) have teams of lawyers tweaking their EULAs all the time. It really does sound to me like you stumbled into some legaleze you did not expect. You need to find out EXACTLY what youtube wants from you and Cakewalk and then contact Cakewalk to see if they can accommodate you. This really has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with the respective companies and their lawyers. You just gotta go with the flow and hope for the best.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 00:38:44 (permalink)
    And again I will reiterate it is likely because you specified that there is an artist affiliated with the vid (you) so they want to know who actually owns the rights to the song. Many times artists do NOT own the rights to their own songs and aren't allowed to use them the way you have. You have to PROVE you are the one who owns the rights but seeing as how you did not publish it or copyright it in any regular way I or anyone here could claim the rights to that song and cause problems for youtube if I/we felt so inclined. I/we would lose eventually once you proved your case but youtube doesn't care. They just take the vid down and potentially bar your account. If this is how you make money you really should learn about this stuff because it is complex and it could cause a lot of problems for you. Especially in today's internet marketplace. Thar be wolves out there.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 00:57:13 (permalink)
    And again I will state I am not a lawyer and I'm sure my view on this topic is seriously flawed but it is based in what I've been warned about in the past by copyright/trademark/patent lawyers in my travels. I have a more than passing interest in this subject as I would like to self publish in the near future. Frankly I'd be more concerned about any other vids you have up that may be more likely to infringe on copyrights than the one you are referring to here. Now that you have made the youtube beast aware they might start poking around your account. Your best bet really is to contact an actual copyright lawyer. Many will do an initial phone consult for free.
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    Re:Youtube wants a direct link to the license terms for Sonar. 2012/05/16 17:10:35 (permalink)
    YouTube is a bit weird about that sort of thing. I do a weekly Vlog talking about music production and the music industry and various tools that I think people should check out at YouTube.com/djkevwest whenever I do Reason stuff I almost always get a flag. Haven't gotten one for Sonar yet


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