Jonbouy
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 10:13:12
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I've also seen him perform with his back to the audience while staring at a wall.
WOW, what a guy...  That makes him a hero in my book for sure, I'd like to get a recording to hear how that sounded. It must have made a heck of a difference.
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 10:19:17
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Jonbouy
I've always understood that Mr Joe Average in the US was better off than his UK counterpart...
It's still the case if you take into account Cakewalk's $ → £ conversion rate
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2012/04/19 10:21:40
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"a post punk band?
What does that even mean?"
I had hoped to express the idea that the punk scene was tapering off when they transitioned from house party band to one that made and sold cassette tapes and traveled around in a small van to see if anyone else wanted to hear their music.
Some will also point out that they re-introduced traditional string instruments like the mandolin and 12 string to people interested in electric pop music styles... and so it was obvious to us that they didn't intend to further the traditional punk genre but rather define a new combination of tones, textures, and message.
Also the lyrics, were much less angry or accusational and began to suggest a more open ended optimism than the the typical USA punk shout out.
best regards,
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2012/04/19 10:35:08
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 10:38:48
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traditional punk genre I'm having a hard time because I still haven't worked out what that meant even. Like I said at the time it seemed like the Buzzcocks to the Stranglers and everything in-between seemed to fit within that banner (here of course) and yet I could find very little that would unite them in any way. Fortunately for me Jean-Jaques Burnel and many others didn't quite get the relationship between what fitted under that banner called punk either.
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2012/04/19 10:39:51
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Jonbouy
I've always understood that Mr Joe Average in the US was better off than his UK counterpart...
It's still the case if you take into account Cakewalk's $ → £ conversion rate
I knew there was something tangible that led to my errant beliefs...
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 10:40:57
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Jonbouy
traditional punk genre
I'm having a hard time because I still haven't worked out what that meant even.
Like I said at the time it seemed like the Buzzcocks to the Stranglers and everything in-between seemed to fit within that banner (here of course) and yet I could find very little that would unite them in any way.
Fortunately for me Jean-Jaques Burnel and many others didn't quite get the relationship between what fitted under that banner called punk either.
And I seem to remember Motorhead was seen by some as being under that banner....
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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2012/04/19 10:43:43
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Jonbouy
traditional punk genre
I'm having a hard time because I still haven't worked out what that meant even.
Like I said at the time it seemed like the Buzzcocks to the Stranglers and everything in-between seemed to fit within that banner (here of course) and yet I could find very little that would unite them in any way.
Fortunately for me Jean-Jaques Burnel and many others didn't quite get the relationship between what fitted under that banner called punk either.
And I seem to remember Motorhead was seen by some as being under that banner....
Exactly!!! Excellent point.
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2012/04/19 10:53:58
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If anyone's interested, Steve Lamacq did an absolutely facinating interview on BBC 6Music yesterday with Mick Jones and Paul Simonon on the making of The Clash's 1979 album London Calling. It's available on the BBC i-player HERE until next Wednesday (25th). It certainly addresses a lot of the 'background' issues we've been talking about in this thread. I don't think you guys over the pond can access this but if it appears on YouTube, it's well worth a listen.
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 10:56:48
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SteveStrummerUK
If anyone's interested, Steve Lamacq did an absolutely facinating interview on BBC 6Music yesterday with Mick Jones and Paul Simonon on the making of The Clash's 1979 album London Calling.
It's available on the BBC i-player HERE until next Wednesday (25th).
It certainly addresses a lot of the 'background' issues we've been talking about in this thread.
I don't think you guys over the pond can access this but if it appears on YouTube, it's well worth a listen.
Yeah - thanks :(
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 10:59:49
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SteveStrummerUK
If anyone's interested, Steve Lamacq did an absolutely facinating interview on BBC 6Music yesterday with Mick Jones and Paul Simonon on the making of The Clash's 1979 album London Calling.
It's available on the BBC i-player HERE until next Wednesday (25th).
It certainly addresses a lot of the 'background' issues we've been talking about in this thread.
I don't think you guys over the pond can access this but if it appears on YouTube, it's well worth a listen.
Works just fine here....
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 11:01:30
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SteveStrummerUK
If anyone's interested, Steve Lamacq did an absolutely facinating interview on BBC 6Music yesterday with Mick Jones and Paul Simonon on the making of The Clash's 1979 album London Calling.
It's available on the BBC i-player HERE until next Wednesday (25th).
It certainly addresses a lot of the 'background' issues we've been talking about in this thread.
I don't think you guys over the pond can access this but if it appears on YouTube, it's well worth a listen.
I would really enjoy getting to listen to or watch this. I've long considered Mr Strummer to be one of the most clever of astheticians. He seemed to bring a lot of different realizations together and helped make some disarming party music. I remember the week London Calling was released in USA and I remember borrowing a copy to make a cassette and thinking it was much more clever and up to date than any of the heavy rock or urban RnB that was featured on the radio at the the time. It is one of my very favorite post punk records. best regards, mike
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Re:Do you ever wonder why many "artists" don't seem to be aware of...
2012/04/19 11:19:16
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Jonbouy
trimph1
Jonbouy
traditional punk genre
I'm having a hard time because I still haven't worked out what that meant even.
Like I said at the time it seemed like the Buzzcocks to the Stranglers and everything in-between seemed to fit within that banner (here of course) and yet I could find very little that would unite them in any way.
Fortunately for me Jean-Jaques Burnel and many others didn't quite get the relationship between what fitted under that banner called punk either.
And I seem to remember Motorhead was seen by some as being under that banner....
Exactly!!!
Excellent point.
Indeed, exactly what point are you trying make? Is it your intention to deny that groups of people in the USA demonstrated a disinterest in hero worship while dancing at house parties to music played by bands that thought they were just part of the party? Or, Do you want to argue about definitions of genre for some other, yet to be expressed reason? I'm more comfortable with a post modern perspective. A perspective where the use of "genre" descriptions may occasionally make for a convenience but I don't expect much more from the use of genre labels. I can readily agree that the use of genre descriptions can cause confusion, but I don't think you are confused. For my part, the guys I hung out with thought the Stranglers were a top 40 metal pop band, and the Buzzcocks were indie-radio pop act that you could dance to. My guess is that I had heard the Buzzcocks hundreds of times at the backyard skateboard ramps (made out of stolen wood... because no one riding a skateboard back then had any money to buy wood) before I had any idea whose label was on the cassette tape. Neither bands had anything to do with our first hand experience listening, dancing, and engaging with the house party music, whatever you want to call it, that I had hoped to describe. best regards, mike
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