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sibilance in one or two spots only?
How do I surgically remove sibilance in one or two spots? The esses are not consistent thru the vox track. I have been using the VX 64 Deesser and it has worked great on most of the track but there are a few spots left. Thanks. Glenn
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/18 10:20:41
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I use an EQ and automation for it. Although this video was more about the screenset and envelopes I was actually doing sibilance removal through the video. I guess the desser in the Vocal strip can be automated as well but the singer I was treating had it at a high freq for sibilance (at around 9k). I used the PC & Sonitus on the same spots with slightly different settings. Both automated HTH
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/18 10:56:19
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A simple gain reduction works well there. Set up, e.g, an envelope and lower the gain during the sibilance hot spots.
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M_Glenn_M
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/18 19:26:14
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Thanks guys. I'll need to figure out how EQ settings work in automation (I've done gain only) but the simple gain reduction works pretty well. Thanks a-gain.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/18 21:01:02
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Gain reduction envelope is the way to go I reckon. It would be so cool if Sonar had the cubase feature where the waveform picture is automatically changed to show what effect your volume change envelope is having. The bakers have managed to show fades in real time so why not this? Dave Pensado in one of his lair videos said that when he is looking at the waveform the areas of sibilance appear as "little footballs" - kind of oval shaped. With practice it is quick and very effective. One way to do it in Sonar with waveform being automatically scaled is to use VVocal
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/18 21:20:56
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Well... I use waves de-esser, always... Also use UAD precise de-esser... But I prefer waves the most... VERY good IMHO.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 03:42:27
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Have you tried Spitfish? It's a freebie but works very well on most material.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 08:28:36
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clone the track first. then on the new clone.... I would use gain reduction. go a few db at a time and be surgical. zoom in to be sure the reduction is only on the sibilant parts.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 13:20:24
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I did the gain reduction (I have a Key binding for it) and it's working great. Thanks. Interesting the wave form almost disappears before it's right. About EQ automation..how is that done? Is it done using Snapshots of the control settings and the W on each effect?
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 13:46:28
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First thing you need to do is find the frequency it's at. Set a high q figure on an EQ band, boost the gain to almost max and then sweep the frequency range from around 4k to 10 k and find the offending frequency. It'll really stand out at extreme settings. Once you've got that reduce the Q slightly and insert an envelope for the gain. Swipe the area of sibilance and then insert nodes at the selection and drag down to reduce the gain This video shows how to do the envelope bit. You may need to repeat with another EQ depending on how bad it is.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 14:02:39
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Thanks FBB. I had to watch the vid 3 times before I finally got it. Good one. looking fwd to this great tool.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 14:17:00
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Yeah the video was never really about reducing sibilance that's just what I happened to be doing when I was demoing the screenset. Just coincidence.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 14:45:47
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Although I would not use this for regular de-essing in general, when I am in Melodyne working on a vocal track, I correct pops and sibilance at the same time by splitting off the first small part of the note (dividing it) and reducing the volume (shrinking the blob). This doesn't work on every type of sibiliance or pop, but I clean up as much as I can while tweaking the vocal.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 16:22:51
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Yes the plosives are next. I have a few to work on here too.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 16:24:34
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A de-esser is probably not the way to go when there are only a handful of offensive "S"s. It's difficult to set it so that it only hits those particular spots without affecting any others, and a setting that works in a loud passage may not work well on a soft passage. For a track that's got a lot of sibilance, I always try Spitfish first because it's easy, but in practice it only works well maybe 10% of the time. Sometimes, what we describe as essiness may actually be the result of a resonance in or around the microphone. That requires some surgical equalization (I use Adobe Audition's spectral editor for that). Analyze the spectrum of one of your "S"s and make sure it's broadband in nature and not spiking at a narrow frequency. Assuming it's not something weird like I described in the above paragraph, and that it's plain old sibilance, then volume automation is definitely the way to go for maximum transparency. Zoom in tight on the "S" and create three nodes: at the start, at the peak, and at the end. Sometimes the start and end aren't clearly defined, but precision is rarely necessary. Use a fast curve for the first segment and a slow curve for the second segment.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 16:54:16
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Nice one Bit. Simple & effective. Nice to see someone else making full use of the slow & fast curves. I find them incredibly useful for all sorts of things when you're doing detailed automation.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 17:04:27
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As the title suggests one or two spots cries out third party editor for me eg Adobe Audition. You can do what Dave is suggesting there. You can also take it a step further and try using some LPF just on the offending bits too. It can make a real difference. It is good to just take the edge of the S sound as well as lower it gain wise. I have also found that if the S bit has a little too much low end you can apply some HPF as well to thin it out a bit. This is a much better option than running the whole track through some processor just to catch a few spots here and there. Try to leave off the vocal track as much as you can and keep it natural. While I am in the editor I even out the phrasing too and check for overall levels being consistent. Then the compressor down the track will have a much easier job and sound better as a result.
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Re:sibilance in one or two spots only?
2012/04/19 17:12:27
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If you can identify the offending syllable as clearly as Dave has done above, you can also split it out to it's own clip and apply clip based Fx.
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