Respect for one's own opinion

I keep comming across threads were the difference of opinion becomes personnal.  Then the personal side gets dirty.  Then comments are made on one's background and scope of experience.  You may say one's argument with another is none of anybody's business but theirs, but I have to disagree.  This is a public forum.  Any personal issues need to be taken off line.
 
I would like to ask everyone posting on any Cake forum to respect the view point of those that are not as exerienced, not as qualified, and not as knowledgable about music and production related issues.  You may think this is a trivial request but it is not.  These things continue to happen. 
 
Everyone should be entitled to state what they believe to be true without fear of being ridiculed for not having enough experience.  This is only common courtesy and this courtesy falls directly in line with Cake's TOS. 
 
It should not matter if you just picked up a guitar and bought Garage Band to make your first song or if you really only study music for a hobby but just can't do it well.  Who should care what the background is for the purposes of this forum?   
 
Usually the individual's experience level will surface in time and that will help others better understand where they are coming from.  However, no one should judge you or I or discourage you or I from participating in the forum just because you don't have a professional background in music making.   
 
This forum is not about professional engineering or producing - it is about making music and learning from eachother with what we have.  Those professional engineers that contribute can really help the rest of us but not when the difference of opinion gets off topic. 
 
I am sure someone will come up with something witty so say to this thread but I believe this point needed to be addressed.  I also pray that the personal attacks and name calling we've seen through the forum will stop.
I hope this message helps.  Some may think not but we have to try to make this a better world - it's the only one we got!
 
Best to all.
 
Rimshot
 
 

 I would be greatly surprised if this type of thing ceased to exist,but I agree with you completely Rimshot.

I keep comming across threads were the difference of opinion becomes personnal. Then the personal side gets dirty.

Why would it be important what your view of somebody elses disagreement was?

If you have a view put it forward.  Why do people constantly need to act as referee for anybody elses views?

I hope you realise I'm not being personal here I really wonder how this kind of input does anything rather than add a further level of complication to whatever is being dealt with.

Mostly people fall out and make-up and shake hands again, when people are throwing the two cents in on somebody elses debate it tends to polarize things in a way that isn't even happening between the parties involved.

I always feel free to mind my own business alongside being able to put my own views forward.

Even on this thread I have regular disagreements with Mike and recently had disagreements with Starise, I currently don't hold any malice toward either of them, it is part of debate not to be in agreement what would be the point of any of it otherwise.

We could just come in and all nod our heads in unison.

Yeah..... I used to work with a guy who was one of "those" folks..... he'd been everywhere and done everything and if you could do something..... of course , he could do it better.  Another guy in the shop commented that if you were talking to him and claimed you had been 2 feet up a bulls back side orifice, he would jump in and claim he had been 5 feet up said orifice. 

You learn quickly not to argue with folks like that. 


In my life I have also discovered that there is often more than one way to do something...and while some ways might be faster, or more convenient, all ways are correct and will get you there in the end..... some are just more scenic routes than the others.

Jonbouy

We could just come in and all nod our heads in unison. 

UbiquitousBubba

 Our opinions are forged over time, based upon our core beliefs, influenced by our environment, and molded by our experiences.  They are as unique as those who hold them.

I very much agree with your statement with the qualification that regardless of ones experiences, core beliefs, environment, each individual still has to understand and accept that they are their beliefs, their experiences, their environment  and no one else's.  To engage in worthwhile debate, one needs opposition with a different view.  If all we ever wanted was affirmation of our core beliefs, influenced by our environment, and molded by our experiences we would never seek out communities.  A conversation requires more than one voice. When one asks a question they have to expect more than one answer, otherwise why ask.  Just make statements all day long if you don't want various opinions or views based on another's experiences, core beliefs, or environments.

Respecting another's opinion is really just an extension of respecting the other person.  That's something that many other internet forums don't experience very often.

Strangely enough I've found it in other communities, some with some very heated debate on a large variety of subjects, some in which arguments happen, feathers are ruffled, but ultimately it's the differences that the communities learn from.  I know this - if everyone agreed with me I'd start to get worried.  If I got to the point where I dismissed people based solely on a single interactions or their beliefs conversation would be very predictable and boring.  I'd probably be very narrow minded as well - hopefully I'm not.


Perhaps we are the world we see, the possibility we hope exists.  Maybe I'm naive or maybe I just choose to be.  I'd like to think that we all have something to learn, that we place value in others opinion, that we are capable of filtering the wheat from the chaff of life, the things that require concern and the things that don't.  That just maybe we could adjust our core beliefs if new information is sought, or at a bare minimum accept that others think differently.



I know - Utopian thinking.  I guess it's just my core belief.   You'd never know I can be quite cynical at times, I just try to keep that side to myself.