digi2ns
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5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
In my wonderful world of nothing to do and all of this just learning the world of Midi, soft synths, VSTs. I thought why in the world would anyone go a spend 2k-$5k on a good set of drums, a boat load more on good mics for the kit when with all the PlugIns now with any GREAT sounding kits already made, would you not just throw some cheap mics on a cheap set (or even on buckets and boxes) just to capture a signal that you can convert over in just minutes to a World Class sounding Drum Kits. Im surprised someone hasnt made a Youtube video pushing Sonar X1 with this in mind  I liked to see it done (but I have no idea on this video stuff) and think it would be a great selling point for Cakewalk
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 07:39:56
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My first "official" pop band was called the "Utensils". I played a rack of tuned 5 gallon buckets and some other kitchen stuff. Like you say it's easier than ever these days.
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 08:53:24
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 08:56:03
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Actually using cardboard boxes and wooden boxes and plastic buckets does seem to be all the rage today... in some genre's of music....especially in film & TV...all going for that "cool wow factor" sound. I guess you could do as you say and use replacement to pop in sampled really good sounding drums. It sure would save money that way.
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 08:59:24
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digi2ns
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 09:14:32
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Well instead of buying a DW or Gretsh or .... in a Studio series How this guy has his set up, you could put cheap mics right inside the buckets just to get that click into Sonar. Load up your favorite Steven Slate or ??? and convert it to a real nice sounding kit is kinda where I was going with it  No need anymore for all this money spending on that certain piece of high dollar whatevers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAyWnVq-hlQ
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 09:17:01
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The history of the trap kit is that it was designed for convenience. If someone finds a trap kit inconvenient.... :-)
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 09:18:46
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to capture a signal that you can convert over in just minutes to a World Class sounding Drum Kits. Um. In Sonar?? How would you do this (in just minutes)?
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digi2ns
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 09:27:12
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Well lets say he is using one bucket as a Snare. If mic to an Audio track- Select Track, enable audio snap, set your sensitivity for Transient Markers, Select Copy as MIDI, Paste that onto a MIDI track and load up Session Drummer 3, EZD, Addictive Drums, or what ever Plug you Have. Repeat for HiHats, Cymbols, tom-toms, kick, etc... Just takes a sec. Depending on the intensity of the hit recorded, this follows as well so you dont have to Humanize it in some sort of way.
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 09:35:47
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I Haven't done much with X1 but, I just assume that Audio snap is just as lame as it is in 8.53. Am I wrong? Did they fix it in X1? I have done what you propose using Melodyne. Which works out pretty well. Usually just for real basic kik or snare.
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 10:49:57
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timidi I Haven't done much with X1 but, I just assume that Audio snap is just as lame as it is in 8.53. Am I wrong? Did they fix it in X1? I have done what you propose using Melodyne. Which works out pretty well. Usually just for real basic kik or snare. Not sure/or up on all the audiosnap features but for adjusting the sensitivity levels to turn on/off the transient markers works well. As for the rest of the drum kits outside of the kick and snare, I would assume one is only limited to what is in their PlugIns/VSTs for sounds available. A heck of an idea to sell a product like Sonar. I can just see a TV commercial with kid behind a set of boxes or buckets with little $20 Best Buy mics crammed in them, he does a little spaztic thumping on the boxes and then in just a few key strokes on the keyboard-He turns his little project into a Lars Ulrich sound Track Kinda like that little Japanese kid and his Rock Guitar video game-then dad step in and kills the power  Forget what the point of the commercial was though. I guess in a sense, the bucket and a mic is just a poor mans MIDI Trigger but the commercial would be hilarious.
post edited by digi2ns - 2012/04/21 10:52:01
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 11:28:29
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All the drummers I know drum on everything. I mean everything. It is sometimes fascinating the range of tones different objects make when hear a drummer clinking away. To answer your question, I would argue that for some people, doing it "real" is more meaningful than "faking it". Its not just about perfection of tone. It is about the spirit of musicianship. I seem to recall Cakewalk had a video like that for Sonar 7. Cheers Shad
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 12:11:49
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The re part that fascinates me is that you don't really need to replace percussion tones. You can simply record a good sounding cardboard box and a tin can and have it sound great as well. best regards, mike
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 12:21:05
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mike_mccue There part that fascinates me is that you don't really need to replace percussion tones. You can simply record a good sounding cardboard box and a tin can and have it sound great as well. best regards, mike Well yeah, if you use ARC. Otherwise it sounds like a box and a tin can.
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 16:53:39
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I forget what song it was that I recorded, but I used a recording of my hands slapping and pounding the desk in my studio for the percussion. It worked pretty good. I don't think that song is on my SC site. A slamming door was using in Bridge over Troubled water at the end. Someone had left a mic turned on with reverb on it and in between takes someone walked out of the room and the door slammed. The engineer thought it sounded good and used it in the song.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/04/21 16:55:37
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 17:29:52
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Hi digi2ns I think it also depends on the style of music you are talking about as well. For rock and pop and for many styles I guess what you are talking about is quite possible. But for other styles of music it may be impossible. eg my son is a modern Jazz drummer and a very good one at that and he is now playing in some of the finest modern Jazz ensembles in the country. (Australia) What he does in those situations is so intricate and involved, the playing absolutely transcends the concept of creating a similar part using SD3 or anything else. It is simply impossible. You could never do it in a million years and even if you could it would take a month to emulate what he does in the first 30 seconds of as tune so then you have got to ask why would you do it? And you wouldn't, that is the answer. That is why Jazz is so unique. You cannot really recreate the sound tracking parts one by one, using a click track or anything else. It goes right back to the way it has always been done, put a bunch of great musicians in a room together and let them go for it!
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Re:5 Gallon Buckets and Boxes for drums
2012/04/21 17:33:14
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Good point Jeff. Most rock drumming (today) is mostly 109-127 velocity on the kick/snare. So you could conceivably bang on just about anything for that.
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