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Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
Volumes and settings i set for TTS-1 instruments keep resetting to default values. I noticed that the TTS-1 reset happens only when (adding a note in the piano roll) the clip is separated from one another, but i can't avoid that, because the program is making a new clip nearly for every note i add to the piano roll. I also can't figure out why sometimes clips are only one for a bunch of notes. In every case this makes TTS-1 unusable, and generating a lot of clips makes the piano roll unusable too. It 'sounds' to me like a bug, and with that i cannot continue to use MC.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/22 10:09:07
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Before you call it a bug, give us some basic information about the system. Specifically the computer, the OS, the soundcard, and any other information about the system you are using. Are you running MC on the built in sound card in the computer? Laptop or desk/tower? What driver mode are you using? With that info, someone here will jump in with some advice and things to do and check to get it running smooth. TTS is a pretty nice synth, but like any synth, it has certain ways to do things and if you are not doing them correctly it will act funny.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/22 12:24:45
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Thanks for the response. I used only linux, but now i switched to my Windows Vista (32 bit machine, pre-installed on my laptop) to use this software. So I can say that Vista is almost pure, updated and with a couple of other apps installed. I use the internal sound card provided in the laptop because i saw in the manual that my card was supported (Realtek HD Audio card). I set all to MME (as explained in official guides and the video tuturial) and this is the only way that make sounds in output. I set the buffer to 1000 in the midi configuration menu, in order to avoid note skipping. I found this very tedious and strange. I think that the problem is related to TTS but is not only a TTS problem, because clip generation at every drawn note is completely random to me (sometimes the note is inserted in the same clip, sometimes not) and i can't find a logic in that.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/22 17:01:32
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Using the internal soundcard, while it is supported, is not the best way to work with MC. A dedicated external interface running ASIO is best. However, Realtec with MME will work. One problem you will have will be serious delay with synths also called latency. I can't help much with the PRV editing issues since I tend to always use the Staff view. I was raised and taught to read from a staff so it has been more natural. Have you tried using Staff to see if there is any difference in how TTS acts? I use a lappy with Vista on it....(this one actually) so it should run OK. One last question that needs answering is What version of Music Creator are you using? Sorry.... I should have asked that earlier as well. It really does make a difference.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 02:59:56
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Well, one thing is for sure: It's not a bug, because I've never heard of such behaviour. This might be far fetched, (or plain stupid :o) but could layer activation possibly lead to such behaviour in some circumstances?? Music Creator does have layers, does it not?? If it does, check how if the layers are "on" and how your recording definitions are (Each take to new layer?) If this is something that simply doesn't go with MC, just ignore, please.
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mizar
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 03:48:04
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@GuitarHacker I'm used to LMMS, no soundcard problems, no midi notes skipping, nothing, and i have to say, that the piano roll is far bettter and easier to use, but i don't want to go into discussions. The thing is that i read the tutorials and manuals before paying for that software, and for what I have to do , i thought it was sufficient an internal card. The software i'm using is MC6. I noted that this new clip generation happens at random. I cannot control it. I make one note , one clip, one another note (right after the first), one another clip is added. After 3 or four notes added, i add another note and magically this is inserted in the last created clip. I ended up in having some clips overlapping, making impossible to consider this piece of midi usable. For the staff view, i know is the best thing for musicians, but not for me, and not after discovering piano roll with controllers and notes controls in lmms. In any case, the engine should not make any difference: staff is only a view, like piano roll, so the problem is not related to piano roll specifically, but to clips creation. @Kalle Rantaaho I think layers are not implemented in MC6, I don't see any definition inside menus. Furthermore creation of clips is randomly generated, it's not something one can say 'it is a specific setup'.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 08:29:41
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As I said before, this sounds to me like it is connected with the Realtec card. It might seem hard for you to believe, because you see the other programs working just fine with the realtec card. But, MC6 is a different sort of program. It is a program that requires more resources than many of the other programs. It has more data throughput than other programs. This causes it to act strangely when it is used with factory soundcards like the Realtec. The data that MC6 is trying to get through the soundcard comes up against the "narrow pipe" of the Realtec. Since not all the data can get through the computer has to drop some of it. I have seen all sorts of glitches from this very thing over the years. Not all the glitches are the same. You even mentioned that the glitching is random and you have no control over it. While it seems that this should not be connected to the soundcard, I have personally seen many times that the sound card is in fact the cause of this sort of glitch. In other words, people have come here with similar unexplained glitches. We have suggested to them that they purchase a USB ASIO driver interface. A few days later they come back to the thread, tell us that they have purchased the interface and now everything works exactly like it's supposed to. Smooth as silk and no glitches. It's a "leap of faith moment" because right now it's not working on a factory card that is supposed to work..... but trust me, the USB interface will make all the difference in the world.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 08:47:12
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I hope you are right , I've nearly done a 'leap of faith' deciding to move on a paid software, and to windows too. The expectations in paying again for dedicated hardware will be far more than the open software i used before.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 09:12:26
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The open software is usually pretty "light" when it comes to features and power. As such, it will normally run OK on any soundcard including the realtecs and others. My first excursion into recording was with an early Cakewalk program and a PCI card. It worked ok but with the PCI card and it's software, recording was not the easiest thing to do. Then an OS upgrade made the PCI card non-functional so I got out of recording for a few years. When I decided to get back in to recording after having been out for a few years, I determined to get my rig "right" this time. I was going to do what was necessary to get a reliable and easy to use DAW. To me, that included decent recording software (Music Creator) and the purchase of a computer that could handle the software easily and most importantly, a dedicated external interface/sound card for the laptop. It took me a few days to get it configured correctly. But a few kind and dedicated users here in this forum, worked with me to get the settings on the soundcard correct, and once I got it working, I have not looked back since. With a proper interface, all the data can flow smoothly to where it needs to be and in a timely manner. This makes for a pleasant recording experience. I consider the Interface/sound card to be the HEART of your studio. So when you choose one, be sure it has Audio and Midi built into one unit, be sure the number of inputs are sufficient for you.... ( MC6 will only support 2 live inputs at a time so a 2 audio channel interface is sufficient) , be sure it is USB and uses (native) ASIO drivers and not some sort of driver emulator. M-Audio, Focusrite, Presonus, are all good candidates. You will probably spend between $100 to $200 to get a decent interface. Don't be afraid to spend a bit over that if the interface has features that you like. If there is one area in the studio you need to spend money on, it is the interface. How much further you wish to go with this hobby will depend on your goals and desires. It is possible to spend a lot of money to end up with a really first class home studio, but ultimately that is your call. For now, get a good interface and see the difference it will make in the process.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 13:00:44
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I know Herb and I have disagreed about this before, but I've seen this behavior many times if you try to change the parameters from the GUI of TTS-1 instead of changing them on the PROPERTIES of the MIDI TRACK in your project in MC. ignore the TTS-1 pop up window and change everything from the parameter menus on the track properties and I would guess that would solve your problem.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 16:49:50
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After two weeks trying to do at least what i was capable to do with other software made me think that i have a lot to learn and tweak here and there, but probably i'm too used to another logic. Anyway I'm interested in that thing, i see some potential and i'd like to know how to buy something like an external usb audio interface, possibly ASIO compatible. I found some good cards but they are not mentioning asio at all. Where to find a shop (europe) online to buy something ? in stores i never seen those things except for creative X-Fi Extreme, defined as a crap by many people in internet.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 17:19:30
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I don't know which stores in Europe or deliver to Europe which have good soundcards. check my website for soundcard recommenations and then do a search for those models on websites in Europe for those models. I really don't think that this particular problem is caused by the soundcard myself. try what I suggested above.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 18:07:01
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I tried to follow your suggestions but i've got following problems: - when i add TTS automatically a track is added , but its settings are different than subsequent added midi tracks, and for some reason, i cannot associate the same fx as others and choose different outputs. - A midi track have a lot of options, but not all that of TTS. - Creation of random clips are not related to TTS i fear. I cannot stop that happening sometimes. It's true, in my opinion (i am a developer), that such events doesn't have any real relation with audio throughput. Resetting volumes and clips creation are logic events bound to adding a key, whatever the sound is going out from speakers or no output is set at all.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/23 20:02:08
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It has been a very long time since I used TTS. When I did, I would start with one audio and one midi track. I would insert TTS into the audio track's FX bin and then set the midi track output to the TTS input. More info on how I work with TTS is available on my website where I have a page on the recording software and how to set up TTS to work with one or more midi tracks.
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/24 08:59:21
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mizar I tried to follow your suggestions but i've got following problems: - when i add TTS automatically a track is added , but its settings are different than subsequent added midi tracks, and for some reason, i cannot associate the same fx as others and choose different outputs. - A midi track have a lot of options, but not all that of TTS. - Creation of random clips are not related to TTS i fear. I cannot stop that happening sometimes. It's true, in my opinion (i am a developer), that such events doesn't have any real relation with audio throughput. Resetting volumes and clips creation are logic events bound to adding a key, whatever the sound is going out from speakers or no output is set at all. the only thing I can think of that would be "different" from other MIDI tracks would be if you chose (default, I think) a SIMPLE INSTRUMENT track when adding TTS-1 instead of a separate MIDI SOURCE and FIRST OUTPUT tracks. when the dialog box pops up, don't choose SIMPLE INSTRUMENT TRACK - choose MIDI SOURCE TRACK and FIRST SYTNH OUTPUT tracks. - A midi track have a lot of options, but not all that of TTS.
I don't understand what you mean by that at all. options available on MIDI tracks include INPUT, OUTPUT, CHANNEL, BANK, PATCH, VOLUME, GAIN, PAN, VELOCITY, CHORUS and REVERB (I don't think I've left anything out, but I'm not in front of my DAW, so I don't remember for certain). All of those parameters DO apply to TTS-1 and any other General MIDI synth. I'm not really sure what you're referring to that doesn't apply to TTS-1, you'll have to be more specific. - Creation of random clips are not related to TTS i fear. I cannot stop that happening sometimes.
once again, this makes no sense, I really don't understand what you mean. no random clips will be created just from inserting TTS-1. where are the random clips coming from? It's true, in my opinion (i am a developer), that such events doesn't have any real relation with audio throughput. Resetting volumes and clips creation are logic events bound to adding a key, whatever the sound is going out from speakers or no output is set at all.
sorry, but I don't follow this either. you'll need to be more specific with each of your statements because you're not being clear what you mean. "resetting volumes and clips creation are logic events bound to adding a key." - I can't figure out what you mean by that at all. adding what key? and what do you mean by "clips creation"? are you referring to recording MIDI using your keyboard?
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Re:Cakewalk TTS-1 resetting at every added Note.
2012/04/25 18:33:13
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Mizar, It's very possible that the instruments have already been set in your midi track as an event. If that is the case then once that event is executed, the track instrument will change to that value. I don't have MC6, but in MC4 there is an Event List where the midi events can be viewed and changed. Check to see if these events are listed for those midi tracks that you are having issues with going back to default settings. Same holds true for volume levels.
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