Newbie dumb qs

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2012/04/23 17:58:24 (permalink)

Newbie dumb qs

Hi all, first post here! I just got going on Sonar 8 producer and golly, it seems capable than the Cake 9 I was going great guns with, but SONAR seems real complicated. I did read some Help and tutorials, but new names for things, new features, wow my head is full. I put in a few frustrating hours so far, I have barely been able to get started - three MIDI tracks, and the windows are full because there are about 5 tracks I don't use ['master', etc?] and 150,000 toolbars, clutter, etc. "Every track is Audio and Midi" - hmmmm WHY?? I am having trouble making MIDI happen, even if I use "new MIDI track" - tiny little arrows to click, etc. Am I just tired, or is this the way it is? I ama fighter and I think I can learn it, but my tech friend assistant said "lets just use Ableton cuz it is way easier". Comments? Help?
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    Edwin Headwind
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    Re:Newbie dumb qs 2012/04/23 19:46:22 (permalink)
    A follow up to that gloomy post - would there be problems if I were to install my old Cakewalk 9 and just use that for awhile until I get the hang of SONAR? PS - I feel cheated that I know Cake 9 so well, used it with success for several years, and cannot get anywhere with SONAR. Am I being prissy? Equipment: Windows XP SONAR 8 Producer USB piano controller Rackmounts: Korg M3R Alesis Quadraverb and a tiny 4tr Euromixer MX602A small speaker monitor system headphones other Music Software: Reason Maelstrom Shampoo Sound Forge
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    Re:Newbie dumb qs 2012/04/23 20:37:46 (permalink)
    We don't get many new users here as the software has not been available ( legaly ) for a long time now.

    Of course Sonar is complicated and takes most a few months to get a grasp. I'm still learning after 2 years.

    Start with a simple project and work your way up.

    I'll get you going on a MIDI track.

    Open the with the Normal template And name the song.

    Before you start anything  turn on your controler and let Sonar recognize it. Not sure if you have a MIDI output port. If you do set it too. Get familiar with the drop down menus.  

    GO to audio options and check your settings. If you don't have an interface you'll be stuck on MME mode with terrible latency.  

    If you don't want the 2 Audio tracks delete them and leave the 2 MIDI tracks. You can make all these bigger or smaller. Learn how to open dialog boxes with right mouse clicks.

    Now go to INSERT and insert a soft synth , start with the TTS-1 as it is a GM multi channel and will be easy to figure out. It's got all 16 challes so as you record more tracks make sure to change their output channels. Input don't matter leave on omni.

    Go the MIDI track your going to record and make sure the output is pointed at the TTS-1. Use properties to select a patch. Input echo on.
     
    Set the metronome and hit record. There you go.

    First you may want to purchase a proper audio interface. $400 software does not run very smooth on $12 sound cards.
    MME mode is not very good, In a pinch some use asio4all . You'll want to use a real good solid ASIO driver to take advantage of using Soft Synths and the VST EFXs. .

    You can certainly install all the versions of Cakewalk side by side. But trust me you don't want to be stuck way back there with the limitations of C9. Sonar 8.5 is the best there ever was and worth the time. Read , read, try try try, read read read,try try and come back and ask questions, A few of us die hard 8.5 er's are always around  
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2012/04/23 20:44:44

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    Re:Newbie dumb qs 2012/04/24 18:28:20 (permalink)
    Well I cannot thank you enough for this help. I will put in the time, its nice to know it will be worth it, thanks for the encouragement. I selected TTS-1, a patch from the big box, but I didn't fine "Echo on" yet, and I am not sure about the output. Oddly, I had sounds on another file, now nothing. I will keep trying. PS - I do have a good Sound Blaster sound card, which should help eh.
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    Re:Newbie dumb qs 2012/04/24 18:37:11 (permalink)
    Oh Oh, Did you say sound blaster. No it's probably the worst for Sonar. Like I said, to use the software the way it was built you need a proper USB audio/MIDI interface and run ASIO drivers. Here is a bare bones interface...... http://www.sweetwater.com.tore/detail/FastTrkUSB2/

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    Re:Newbie dumb qs 2012/04/24 18:39:28 (permalink)
    MIDI tracks always default to Echo on it will be pink and look like a bunch of brackets ((( next to the record button on the track.

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    Re:Newbie dumb qs 2012/04/24 21:02:07 (permalink)
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    ...the windows are full because there are about 5 tracks I don't use ['master', etc?]...
    Unwanted tracks (including buses) can be deleted via right-click or using the Edit menu.  Keep the Master bus though and make it the default bus (via right-click).

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