bandontherun19
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Stereo tools
I've used the channel tools that come with Sonar, and I like them. I saw a comment from one of the mix masters (Danny) who said he was using some of the PSP tools? i.e., http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/tools_and_meters/psp_stereoenhancer/ I'm wondering if anyone else is using these tools, and how they feel these might compare with the channel tools I have with my Sonar Pro DAW SW. Thank you.
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/28 01:03:34
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I've not used that particular plugin, but I've used several like it. I'd advise approaching it as if it were potentially toxic.
Do you see anywhere in the PSP text where it says the stereo enhancer won't destroy your mono compatibility? I'd suggest downloading the demo, throw it on a full mix, sit back and go WOW! Then click on the interleave button on the master bus to throw it into mono. If it doesn't turn your mix into a steaming pile of doodoo, buy it.
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/29 21:26:21
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I appreciate that Flipper, but I'm not needing to mono anything. Is that for radio? I'm just a weekend warrior ;-) But I put in a few hours durring the week too. It's my passion, but I'm not a pro like you and some of the other folks here. I like to improve my sound though? One day I'd like to be "pretty good." I'll never be as good as the mix masters here, I have no delusions about that. My goal is just to be better than average. Or "AT LEAST" average.
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/29 22:09:38
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DrMS is a beast ...and you can re inject side in center and vice versa ..that allows mono also
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/29 22:33:46
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bitflipper
I've not used that particular plugin, but I've used several like it. I'd advise approaching it as if it were potentially toxic.
Do you see anywhere in the PSP text where it says the stereo enhancer won't destroy your mono compatibility? I'd suggest downloading the demo, throw it on a full mix, sit back and go WOW! Then click on the interleave button on the master bus to throw it into mono. If it doesn't turn your mix into a steaming pile of doodoo, buy it.
These days why do you care if it is mono compatible? Who is going to listen to it in mono?
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/29 22:44:45
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bitflipper
I've not used that particular plugin, but I've used several like it. I'd advise approaching it as if it were potentially toxic.
Do you see anywhere in the PSP text where it says the stereo enhancer won't destroy your mono compatibility? I'd suggest downloading the demo, throw it on a full mix, sit back and go WOW! Then click on the interleave button on the master bus to throw it into mono. If it doesn't turn your mix into a steaming pile of doodoo, buy it.
These days why do you care if it is mono compatible? Who is going to listen to it in mono?
I seem to recall hearing stories about how back in the day, family's used to sit around the radio, tune in their favorite (only) AM station and rock the house. Up here in the North East there's still a few AM stations. From what I can make out it's mostly bad sports commentary and loads of squealing static. I usually can only put up with about 3 to 5 minutes of that before I pop my 8 Track back in. Mike
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/29 23:29:38
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These days why do you care if it is mono compatible? Who is going to listen to it in mono?
The only time you hear music in proper stereo is when you're sitting in the sweet spot, equilaterally triangulated on the speakers. Sit to one side or listen from the next room, and you're hearing a blend of both channels. The further you get from the speakers, the less stereophonic it becomes. The left and right components are being summed acoustically rather than electronically, but they are still being summed. Now some nitpickers are going to say that acoustical summing isn't the same thing as electrical summing. Technically, it isn't. It's much more complex and often less objectionable due to the effect of room reflections that blur the potential phase cancellations that destroy mono compatibility. But it's still there and still perceptible as a loss of fullness. You can prove this yourself. Take a mono track and clone it. Pan each of the tracks hard left and right, then invert the phase of one of them. What you've done is intentionally set up the worst possible mono-incompatibility scenario. If mono compatibility really didn't matter, there'd be no problem. Play it back in your headphones and it sounds OK. Play it through your speakers and it doesn't sound so great. Step a few feet back from the speakers and it sounds even worse. Then of course there's the possibility that your music does get played on radio or television. Many radio and TV receivers are mono, or very narrow stereo. If you're listening to the TV through speakers mounted on each side of the display, and you're 10-12 feet away and off to one side, then you're essentially hearing monophonic sound. AM radio is usually mono. FM radio is usually stereo, but some of the separation is lost so that it's less stereophonic from the midrange on down. Mono isn't some historical footnote from 1960, it's everywhere.
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Re:Stereo tools
2012/04/30 21:47:10
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bitflipper
These days why do you care if it is mono compatible? Who is going to listen to it in mono?
The only time you hear music in proper stereo is when you're sitting in the sweet spot, equilaterally triangulated on the speakers. Sit to one side or listen from the next room, and you're hearing a blend of both channels. The further you get from the speakers, the less stereophonic it becomes. The left and right components are being summed acoustically rather than electronically, but they are still being summed.
Now some nitpickers are going to say that acoustical summing isn't the same thing as electrical summing. Technically, it isn't. It's much more complex and often less objectionable due to the effect of room reflections that blur the potential phase cancellations that destroy mono compatibility. But it's still there and still perceptible as a loss of fullness.
You can prove this yourself. Take a mono track and clone it. Pan each of the tracks hard left and right, then invert the phase of one of them. What you've done is intentionally set up the worst possible mono-incompatibility scenario. If mono compatibility really didn't matter, there'd be no problem. Play it back in your headphones and it sounds OK. Play it through your speakers and it doesn't sound so great. Step a few feet back from the speakers and it sounds even worse.
Then of course there's the possibility that your music does get played on radio or television. Many radio and TV receivers are mono, or very narrow stereo. If you're listening to the TV through speakers mounted on each side of the display, and you're 10-12 feet away and off to one side, then you're essentially hearing monophonic sound. AM radio is usually mono. FM radio is usually stereo, but some of the separation is lost so that it's less stereophonic from the midrange on down.
Mono isn't some historical footnote from 1960, it's everywhere.
Seem like just listening from a different room would do the trick.
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