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True Stereo Track
Hello all. I'm playing around with Autotune Evo, which only works with "true stereo" tracks. When I arm a vocal track for recording, I have 3 choices (Left/Right/Stereo), but when I select stereo, it only records on one side of the track. I have tried bouncing the track to a stereo track, but am unsure if this qualifies as a "true stereo" track. Do I need to get a "Y" connector to plug my mic into both inputs on my Focusrire Saffire 6 interface in order to get "true stereo"? Sorry for such an inane question! Regards, Bob
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/28 19:45:50
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Don't quote me, but I think you need two outputs going into to two inputs... left and right from mic source to soundcard.
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/28 21:36:27
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I'm curious what they mean by true? In Sonar a stereo track simply means two lanes of data linked in one waveform. (Actually all (or most(?) of the signal paths in Sonar are dual/stereo even if there's only one data set flowing through it. In a broader sense true stereo can mean with differences in the two sides that allows the sound of stereo, as opposed to recording the same thing to both sides- which is mono sound. "... Do I need to get a "Y" connector to plug my mic into both inputs on my Focusrire Saffire 6 interface in order to get "true stereo"? " To get input to both sides of the input pair- and fill both the left and right sides of the track- yes. It will be two mono files playing together = mono (and a bit louder than it would be otherwise.. But even if you slect this 'stereo input#x' and only record to one side.. it will still be the same double file size, and will play, act and except for the sound be.. a 'stereo track'.  Enough flipping 'round there for one day? 
post edited by mixsit - 2012/04/28 21:54:41
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/29 07:42:52
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Thanks for responding. I find the "true stereo" thing confusing as well. If I copy a mono track and paste it into an empty track, what I actually have is "dual mono" tracks. The only things I can think of it either a splitter, or using two separate mics, which could lead to phase cancellation nightmares. I've been trying to get this AT working, then I RTFM again and saw this "true stereo" bit. I just hate to buy a splitter if there is another way to get this done. Regards, Bob
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/29 10:01:32
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You don't need any Y cable for this. Record it to a mono track (using Left input), then just Edit-Bounce to Track(s) and select Stereo as the Channel Format on the popup dialog.
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/29 10:28:41
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Here is the related instruction from the AT Evo manual: "ANOTHER NOTE: Auto-Tune Evo will only pitch correct true stereo tracks. If the second track (i.e., the track not selected as a pitch reference) is simply an independent unrelated track, unpredictable (and potentially unpleasant) sounds may result. On the other hand, something interesting might happen. You never know." ----> So creating a stereo track by bouncing from a mono track should be fine.
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/29 14:03:08
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You cannot pitch-correct two uncorrelated channels. That's true for any pitch editor. Imagine if you recorded two separate, unrelated mono tracks, panned them hard L-R and then bounced them to a single stereo track. You wouldn't expect Evo to make sense of them, would you? However, if you recorded a vocal onto a stereo track, even if the two channels are differently-treated they'd still have the same pitch and could be edited simultaneously. You're going to be better off recording your vocals in mono anyway. There is no benefit to recording a vocal track in stereo unless you're tracking two or more vocalists at once, like a choir. But don't expect to be able to pitch-correct that, either.
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mixsit
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/30 02:28:26
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My Dog, that was... it? It works on dual ('stereo) tracks-- but don't try to tune from mixed or unrelated content "True stereo" Fail
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/30 03:11:59
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I find that more than strange. A VST that is meant to be used mostly on vocals, which are, almost as a rule, recorded in mono,...only works on stereo tracks. Does it make any sense to you??
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/30 10:55:14
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Kalle, it's not that it only works on stereo tracks, but rather that if you do use it on a stereo track it has to be a "true" stereo track. I'm sure it works fine on mono tracks.
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/04/30 12:08:41
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bitflipper Kalle, it's not that it only works on stereo tracks, but rather that if you do use it on a stereo track it has to be a "true" stereo track. I'm sure it works fine on mono tracks. Oh! Thanks for correcting.
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mixsit
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/05/01 01:00:14
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bitflipper Kalle, it's not that it only works on stereo tracks, but rather that if you do use it on a stereo track it has to be a "true" stereo track. I'm sure it works fine on mono tracks. Unless I'm missing something here, what I got out of this..? True' doesn't even relate and is a complete distraction to what they were trying specify. Mono, dual mono, an actual two mic stereo image- same same; One pitch source at a time.
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Re:True Stereo Track
2012/05/01 12:34:41
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One pitch source at a time Exactly. I would add, though, that pitch editors may also have difficulty with stereo files whose channels are wildly different spectrally from one another, even though they share a common fundamental frequency. You don't want to make the task any more difficult than necessary for the pitch-extraction algorithm, which is why you want to start with squeaky-clean mono recordings.
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