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2012/04/30 17:30:16 (permalink)

CPU upgrade

I have a Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 (2.8 GHz) processor (Wolfdale) and can upgrade to a number of Quad core processors eg Kentsfield (up to Q6600) or Yorkfield (Q9xxxx) supported by my motherboard.
 
Can anyone give me some kind of an idea of the performance boost I can get with Sonar going from a Core 2 Duo to a Quad core?
 
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    Fog
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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/04/30 19:10:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

    will help.. it depends on a lot factors... your memory , hard drive (and the number of them) , gfx card included..
    and if you use VST's and how power hungry they are

    it's tricky to say. I recently built an i7 machine, and didn't include an SSD and when I did it bumped up the windows index by a bit.


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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/04/30 19:26:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
    Sonar is very effective at using multiple cores. I upgraded from a dual core to a quad core around the start of the year, and it's been a fairly dramatic improvement. Went from an e6700 to a q6700, rated at the same speed, so the specs were almost identical apart from the number of cores. You'll probably need to get better cooling than you currently had though. 

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/04/30 21:21:38 (permalink)
    Fog, thanks for the bench mark URL, just what I needed!
     
    And thanks, John T, for the tip on Sonar and effective use of cores; however, I think you are right about the cooling, I will need to address that and that also probably means more noise, I'll see what happens. I'm installing the 2nd HD this week as soon as my SATA data cable arrives and adding 2 GB RAM (total of 8 GB) and I'll first see what that does for me.
     
    But you answerred my question well, thanks a lot!

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/04/30 22:35:38 (permalink)
    I recommend you get rid of Vista and move to Windows 7 first. 

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/01 05:20:53 (permalink)
    I agree with daveny5

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/01 05:26:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
    You can avoid more noise, simply by getting a massive heat-sink and fan. I got one of these, and it's really quiet. You'll need to carefully measure your case if looking at over-sized cooling like this though. http://www.bit-tech.net/h...lo-cpu-cooler-review/1

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/01 05:28:43 (permalink)
    Not sure what moving from Vista to Win 7 has got to do with it. In fact, I'd say why give yourself more potential problems to troubleshoot? When replacing a motherboard, you really need to re-install everything anyway, so you might as well do a big overhaul. But replacing just a processor is as painless as replacing memory; you just drop it in and everything carries on like before. I can't think of a single relevant benefit to a full system re-install before doing this.

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/01 12:37:31 (permalink)
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    I recommend you get rid of Vista and move to Windows 7 first. 

    That's on my to do list, too:
     
    While I'm getting the hardware done and the pc is out of the room, I'm building bass traps for the corners which I consider a much needed upgrade.
     
    Then, once all is back and in order, I already have the Win 7 discs, I will bakup all and do a clean custom install which I assume will be a fairly big project to get all my apps back on and reactivated, etc...I held off on this because I thought I would have to install over Vista which I thought unwise, but I checked it out yesterday and there is a custom install option so I figure it is best to go that route.

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/01 12:43:44 (permalink)
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    You can avoid more noise, simply by getting a massive heat-sink and fan. I got one of these, and it's really quiet. You'll need to carefully measure your case if looking at over-sized cooling like this though. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2010/01/20/gelid-tranquillo-cpu-cooler-review/1


    Thanks for the tip, I'm checking with my son today in LA who builds these monster pcs he uses for film production and has fans galore, heat sinks, water cooled tubing, etc and see what he says (he just built a pc with quad core), but I think you are right, I have got to get the cooling but avoid the noise in my little studio room. Prior to moving to LA, my son lived with us and heated his room through our WI winters by his pcs alone but the fan noise was unbelievable...

    "I'm just workin' on a good life, the way it is."
     
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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/01 14:40:32 (permalink)
    Make sure you have a good backup before doing the upgrade from Vista to Win7. If there is a problem with the upgrade, you may have to rebuild from scratch and you'll need that backup. The upgrade is not totally reliable. 

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    Re:CPU upgrade 2012/05/04 13:59:11 (permalink)
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    Make sure you have a good backup before doing the upgrade from Vista to Win7. If there is a problem with the upgrade, you may have to rebuild from scratch and you'll need that backup. The upgrade is not totally reliable. 

    Got it done, thanks daveny5, not fun but it's done! Yeah, I'm backed up the Ying-Yang and out the Wahzu...

    "I'm just workin' on a good life, the way it is."
     
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