Mixing records

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2012/05/03 10:05:03 (permalink)

Mixing records

I ve been reading interviews with engineers and most have this under lying distain for mxing in the box. What do you guys think? I know outboard gear is famous for a reason and does add the "extra" to your sound. But if thats the case why do eng's that mix/record these big budget record even fool with pro tool at all.
 
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    John T
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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 10:33:42 (permalink)
    I dunno about "most". It seems to be quite split to me. And there are plenty of big names on the other side of the line. Spike Stent has talked a lot about doing more and more in the box, to give one example. My own view is that it's an increasingly irrelevant distinction. I believe in such a thing as good gear, but I don't for one second believe in magic gear, and there's nothing inherent in outboard vs in the box that makes one intrinsically and inviolably superior to the other.

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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 10:45:11 (permalink)
    I also see it as an 'irrelevant distinction'. I've been mixing in the box for years for a couple of reasons. If one knows their studio tools, however minimal in many cases, one will/can achieve the same quality end product regardless of whether they mixed ITB or not. That's my take on it....

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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 10:46:09 (permalink)
    Engineers fool w/ protools because DAWs are easier to edit with and the integration w/ midi.  Some places still use tape, but that is mostly for capture and then the audio is transfered to ProTools.  besides, you can get a lot of the analog farie dust farts running protools back out through a big old board.

    But mostly because they can.  You can get most of the benefit of analog sound by recording through a nice channel (another reason producers still go to a big studio w/  a Neve or such) and putting the mix through a nice stereo channel(s) strip.  When you split the sound through multiple analog channels you get more of a good thing, but it isn't a direct mathmatical relationship - 16 channels split out won't sound 8 (or even twice) as good as sending a stereo mix through 2 of the same channels.

    Finally, part of reason was that analog was better than digital back in the day.  There is a lot less difference these days - the ProChannel EQ in SONAR for the most part doesn't sound that much different than my RND EQ.  It is certainly closer than the old Cake EQ from circa 2000.  But if I had an unlimited budget for a big pay day, I'd much rather have an RND channel strip on every output than the PC.  a little better sound but it would make me more confident knowing the sound just can't get any better - it would all be on me.

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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 11:04:03 (permalink)
    It's always worth remembering that a lot of big name producers don't have to be that pragmatic about this stuff. I mean, sure, maybe Biggity Big-Name refuses to work on anything but a specifically hand selected set of gear. If I had Biggity Big-Name's money, I do the same, and I'd also have a golden throne to to do it all from, and Scarlett Johanssen paid whatever rate she commands to make movies spooling tape. A lot of these guys simply don't have to think about this stuff, so they don't think about it. Hence a default of "well, I just use this thing that looks like the bridge of the Enterprise, and I don't fancy switching to a lap-top". In many ways, these are the people with the *least* informed opinion on in-the-box mixing.

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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 11:07:46 (permalink)
    Was just a question on my mind. I too see as a mute issue, use which ever tools you can afford to achive the sound your after. and im one for options and experimentation, so i see (if $ permitted) having the ability to mix in and out side the box. Just wanted to see what my cake brothers thought on the subject.
    And i do find the more interviews i read with eng.s saying "oh i only use that like a tape recorder" and my issue would be then why is there this under lying pressure to be part of the avid family and be locked into it. Trying the make the case that if I if i havent used pro tools (which i have) i havent been in a "real" studio. Like Sonar, logic, or reason cant run a pro studio. Just my 2cents (sorry at work rant, lol)
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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 11:08:57 (permalink)
    ps: thanks for the responses, this board keeps me sane at work, lol. Until i can get home and get my "cake" fix...hahahaha
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    Re:Mixing records 2012/05/03 11:59:48 (permalink)
    One thing's for sure - if you can't make GREAT music with what we've got XId e PE then no amount of gear, hardware or otherwise will make a blind bit of difference.

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