Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi file

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2012/05/03 10:18:01 (permalink)

Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi file


Hi all, using 7 Producer on my laptop. Been searching for an answer to this for two days. I'm trying to change an existing midi file to use soft synths rather than the windows instruments. The midi file plays fine, and the soft synths work fine by themselves, and insert fine into Sonar, creating their own tracks. The midi tracks that are not set to use a soft synth still play, even with some other tracks set to use a soft synth. When played, the midi track lights up but the soft synth tracks show no activity.
I set the output of the midi track to the soft synth, and the input of the newly-created synth track to the synth. But the output of the new synth track only gives me the options of "none" or "create new bus". No option to send it to the sound card. What am I missing here?
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    daveny5
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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 11:54:28 (permalink)
    Looks like Sonar is NOT recognizing your soundcard. What are you using and what driver mode are you using? If you're using the built-in chip on the laptop, you may only be able to use it in MME or WDM mode and not ASIO mode. The Output box in the softsynth should either be Master or your soundcard. Doesn't look like its finding yours. What do you have selected in Options-Audio-Drivers?
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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 12:49:36 (permalink)
    Yes, it's the onboard chip, a soundmax. And it was set to ASIO. I tried it both of the other ways, and both put the soundcard into the synth outputs (yay!), but neither one allowed me to hear Real Strat. 

    When it's set to WDM, I get no sound at all out of any tracks. 
    When it's set to MME, everything works fine until I set the midi output to Real Strat. I can bounce back and forth while it's playing, and the track plays with the Soundmax and doesn't with Real Strat. It doesn't affect any of the other tracks, the whole song plays, it just turns that one track on and off as I switch between the synth and the soundmax. And neither one makes the synth track light up its meter when set to Real Strat... Real Strat opened as a stand-alone works fine, even when it's also open as a synth in Sonar at the same time. I tried the TTS synth too, with the same results. So for some reason, the midi track isn't being passed to the synth...

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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 13:48:01 (permalink)
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    . I can bounce back and forth while it's playing, and the track plays with the Soundmax and doesn't with Real Strat.
    I don't think I understand what that means. Do you mean that you're switching between GS Wavetable Synth and RealStrat? I wonder if Soundmax has a synth of its own (??). ANY sound you hear comes ALWAYS through the Soundmax if that's the only soundcard you have.

    Also (I'm not sure if this makes sense or is of any relevance) the output of the MIDI track is to "2 Realstrat1" and the input of the audio track is just "Realstrat1". Make sure the MIDI track outputs to the same instance and channel as the audio tracks input is. IIRC at least using Kontakt such numbers indicate there's more than one instances in use. Could it be you have deleted the instance to which the MIDI-tracks output is (???? :o/)

    Try inserting Realstrat and dragging the MIDI-clips on the MIDI track that gets created.

    well ... just flow of thoughts ... :o)

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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 14:49:39 (permalink)
    Even though I'm not a big fan of trying to do anything in Sonar without a proper interface, you should try "asio4all". SOnars Soft synths just don;t get along in MME mode. You probably using your MS wavetable $400 software was not meant to run on on board sound cards. If you enjoy recording then pick up a usb interface to avoid frustration.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 16:32:41 (permalink)
    I agree with Cactus. You spent a couple hundred bucks on Sonar and then try to run it on a fifty cent soundchip?

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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 16:44:49 (permalink)
    I typed it wrong, it plays with the wavetable synth, not soundmax. The "2" is just the output numbering. Wavetable is #1, real strat is #2. I didn't have more than one instance running.
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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 16:52:09 (permalink)
    Sigh. I have two computers. My desktop has a very nice sound card, but I'm not where my desktop is, so I wanted to run it on both. If it won't run on it, fine, I'll bag it. Thanks anyway.
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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 19:51:28 (permalink)
    By "nice" sound card we would still vote for a USB, Firewire or PCIe interface. Gaming cards are for Gaming and watching movies. What you need is an audio interface that comes with good audio drivers, ASIO or WDM. In a desperate pinch some people report getting things to work by using asio4all, which is actually not even asio but a WDM wrapper.I tried it the other day on my Laptop just to see if I could work without my interface, It was a train wreck, and I sort of know what I'm doing as far as Sonar goes.

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    Re:Sonar 7 Producer, soft synth tracks have no outputs to choose from in existing midi fil 2012/05/03 22:09:11 (permalink)
    Well, we're trying to help, but some programs have a minimum requirement to run properly and one of the requirements of Sonar (even though Cakewalk doesn't say it explicitly) is that you need a decent quality soundcard. 

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