ampfixer
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Are CRITIQUES available?
(EDIT) I know there are plenty of critics, hence the capitals. Hi all, it's been a good day in Sonar land. I've been trying to learn way too much at the same time and becoming frustrated. Right now I'm using midi files to help the learning process. Kontakt is getting more time than it deserves and the midi files are allowing me to focus on programming the sounds I want. The current project is to put together a Bonham inspired drum sound. I took a midi file and applied my new kit with good results. I would really like others to give me their opinions on the sound. It's not my song, it's bass, drums and pseudo guitar on a Zepplin midi file. I thought of posting it in the song forum but people are getting plain twitchy about content, TOS and such. I don't need hate mail for posting incorrectly so I thought I'd ask here first. I've not seen anything posted along these lines, so what do you think?
post edited by ampfixer - 2012/05/03 19:34:35
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/03 19:36:25
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BenMMusTech
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/03 19:38:36
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For once Mike and I are in agreence, post away and I am not the song forum Nazi, if I hadmy way you could post anything within reason eg: stuff that is really offensive!!! Neb
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/04 14:12:37
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John, Post it. Even if it's bad..... it could be worse...... it could be me ~ SteveStrummerUKTM
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ampfixer
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/06 19:25:42
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OK, finally had time to mess with the mess. Here's that file I'm using to get my Zeppelin rythym sound. Superior drummer and Scarbee MM bass from Kontakt. It's very repetitive but there's a nice fill around 2:50. It's not in the song forum because it's not an original song. http://soundcloud.com/ampfixer/zep-rythym-demo-wav
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/06 21:46:01
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I'm no expert on midi, but the snare rolls sound like midi. You need to work on that to get it sounding more natural. The tone of the kick drum and snare sound nice, but the hi-hat and cymbal hits don't quite sound natural yet. Good start though. Randy
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/06 22:35:21
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Don't be shy about posting something in the songs forum...original or not. I barely have time to do anything these days, let alone something I WANT to do, but it seems like several are quite willing to listen to and critique songs there...especially if you return the favor now and then. :) But seriously... doesn't seem to matter if it's original or not or even finished or not. Have fun! :)
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BenMMusTech
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/06 22:52:50
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Ok for what little worth my opinion is, have you messed with the Velocity and Quantize midi effects, they do work but they take sometime to master. What I would do is cut your midi tracks up, so have the kick on the beat, put the toms and snares onto their own midi track and use the velocity and quantize effects. Just read the manual of the quantize and midi effect's and you will work it out. For the hi hats I would also put these onto a seperate midi track and depending on track, so for this track, it's driving you want the hi hats just in front of the beat. Leave the crash's like the Kick on the beat. If I haven't made any sense, I will try and explain it better just ask. One of these days, I will get screen capture software and put some lessons up. These midi effects do work, just read the instruction manual and use your ear, they are tricky at first but once you have it, you will know. Don't be frightend to experiment, like use two velocity effects on one midi track. When I get my machine back up and running and if your still interested I will explain some of this stuff better, X1d stuffed up my SSD 3 and my download of X1 is corrupt and I don't any download limit for a couple of days to rectify this. But I will try and help you as best I can As I say just ask if you have anymore questions. Neb
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ampfixer
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/07 18:32:10
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Thanks for taking time to check it out. I have done very little editing to the initial midi data and have introduced the variations in time, velocity and and feel using the kontakt interface. The midi is already on individual tracks for the kick, snare, hats and overheads for cymbals. The pseudo guitars are midi that's been run through dimension pro to create audio, and then on to guitar rig. They are very bad, to the point that I didn't see any value in trying to humanize them. The purpose was to take a stock GM track for drums and reprogram a kontakt drum kit (garage kit) to get the Bonham sound and feel by tuning the drums and randomizing certain aspects of the kit. The bass is scarbee MM bass and I don't like it at all since I previewwed trillian. It's very interesting that Randy thinks I should loosen up the drum tracks while Ben thinks I should tighten them up with quantizing. I truly appreciate the comments and hope I can get a couple more. Cheers!
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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Randy P
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/07 18:36:54
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John, Just to be clear, the only parts I thought needed "humanizing" were the snare rolls. They have that "machinegun" midi drum sound. The rest of the drums sound pretty good. Randy
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ampfixer
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/07 19:14:42
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Thanks for clearing that up Randy, I will have a go at that. Do you advise tweaking velocity and timing?
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BenMMusTech
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/07 20:27:36
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ampfixer Thanks for taking time to check it out. I have done very little editing to the initial midi data and have introduced the variations in time, velocity and and feel using the kontakt interface. The midi is already on individual tracks for the kick, snare, hats and overheads for cymbals. The pseudo guitars are midi that's been run through dimension pro to create audio, and then on to guitar rig. They are very bad, to the point that I didn't see any value in trying to humanize them. The purpose was to take a stock GM track for drums and reprogram a kontakt drum kit (garage kit) to get the Bonham sound and feel by tuning the drums and randomizing certain aspects of the kit. The bass is scarbee MM bass and I don't like it at all since I previewwed trillian. It's very interesting that Randy thinks I should loosen up the drum tracks while Ben thinks I should tighten them up with quantizing. I truly appreciate the comments and hope I can get a couple more. Cheers! Actually what I was suggesting was as Randy has suggested, by using midi effects on the snares and toms you losen the playing, so you randomize the velocity and quantization. This will humanize the feel of those rolls, or so it should. What I was doing was thinking like a drummer, the kick, and crash on the beat, the hi hats a little in front of the beat and the snares and toms a little random. Ask if you have any further questions. Ben
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Re:Are CRITIQUES available?
2012/05/07 20:48:43
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Dancing Days..... sounds good. The pre-made midi files are often a a real good place to start working with midi. It sounds pretty good to me. There is no problem with posting cover tunes in the songs forum. Lots of people do that. Give the title and original artist so people who have never hear it will know. Or not..... I've had to guess more than one time.
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