Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume.

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2012/05/04 19:17:55 (permalink)

Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume.

Strange.. I haven't mixed anything down in a while but I just worked on a project. I mixed it and tried to export audio (to Mp3) to play on my ipod and I notice the volume is really much lower than when mixed and played it in Sonar. Any suggestions as to how to fix this and why it's happening ? 
I have tried every which way to export this and still the same result. I even took out all the prochannel patches,  all effects, and softsynths.. I also tried only using Master bus outs and no sub outs..  I've tried bare bones tracks and I tried this all in every  possible preset in the MIXDOWN Audio dialog box.  Still I get an Mp3 with very low volume.  I tried older projects that mixed down just fine with older versions of Sonar tried them and still, I get a lower volume.  The meter in the master out bus is just kissing the red once in a while for moment so I know the volume should be good.  The outs on each track is set to Master and the Master Bus out is set to Focusrite usb 2.0 audio driver MON 1  the other choice is Focusrite usb audio driver HP which I think is headphones so I did not set it to that. However,  I did try that on one mixdown just to see.  Still not right.  What am I missing here ?  I know it's probably something simple but it's been driving me crazy for 3 days now.  Any suggestions ?  Thanks -   Brad 
  
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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/04 21:22:57 (permalink)
    First, make sure you're comparing apples, and verify that the MP3 really is quieter. Import the MP3 back into the same SONAR project and compare the RMS levels. If they're within a db of one another, it's not due to how the project is being exported, but more likely how you're hearing the MP3 versus the wave file.

    If they really are different (there should be no more than a very small difference), then it's most likely a routing problem of some kind. Make absolutely certain that the exported output is going through every bus and effect. You can verify that by muting the master bus and exporting - the MP3 should be silent.


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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/04 21:41:32 (permalink)
    Now I'm perplexed.   Yes, it is the same if imported back to Sonar. That's a good sign.  And when played in quick time it sounds fine too. However,  why is it so low in volume on my iPod compared to everything else on my my iPod and why is it so low in the iTunes player, and Windows Media player ?  BTW, thanks for your response.   Any other things I should look at ?   I'm going to try exporting it with the Master bus muted to see if it mixes down silent.    Thanks again.
     
     
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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/04 22:39:03 (permalink)
    Is "everything else" on your iPod commercial mixes?
    Import one of the louder (I'm assuming commercial) mp3's into Sonar.
    Its more than likely going to be louder than your mix.

    Its the battle we all fight, competing with "professionally" mastered material.

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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/04 22:44:29 (permalink)
    I find the same thing. 
    Everything maxed before export yet when I bring the mp3 into Audacity I find I can raise it 6 or 8 db without clipping.



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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/05 03:09:55 (permalink)
    DeeringAmps


    Is "everything else" on your iPod commercial mixes?
    Import one of the louder (I'm assuming commercial) mp3's into Sonar.
    Its more than likely going to be louder than your mix.

    Its the battle we all fight, competing with "professionally" mastered material.

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    No.. other mp3's  of my own material from previous projects and previous versions of Sonar are louder.  I never had this happen before. (without some explanation i.e a dumb mistake).
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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/05 14:45:49 (permalink)
    I am not a iPod user. I am not an i-Anything user. So this is pure speculation...does the iPod support ReplayGain?


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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/05 15:28:17 (permalink)
    Brad,
    I imported the last mp3 I exported out of Sonar.
    It peaks at -.5 just like the wav it was created from.
    RMS values look to be the same as well.
    Sorry I can't help...

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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/05 16:19:25 (permalink)
    I don't see anything here called ReplayGain.   But, I will look at the iPod. Maybe you got it. Might be a setting in ipod that "fixes" volume differences  I dunno. Or a setting in iTunes.  I'll take a look.  BTW it even sounds lower when played on my computer. (Lower than in Sonar)  But, the "quick time player"  plays it the loudeset.  iTunes and Windows media player play it lower.   This is so wierd.  Every now and then something new (problematic) always comes up no matter how many years I've used this stuff. 
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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/05 16:21:03 (permalink)
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    I find the same thing. 
    Everything maxed before export yet when I bring the mp3 into Audacity I find I can raise it 6 or 8 db without clipping.

    Yes ! exactly.  
     
     
    When you figure it out, let me know.   Thanks for your input. 
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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/05 18:31:13 (permalink)
    Replaygain on iPod/iTunes is called Soundcheck. See if you've got Soundcheck turned on.

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    Re:Help. Mp3 mixdown to exported file has lower volume. 2012/05/06 12:46:14 (permalink)
    SCorey


    Replaygain on iPod/iTunes is called Soundcheck. See if you've got Soundcheck turned on.


    No.  it is not turned on.     
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