g_randybrown
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My 1st build
I am going to wait a few days before pushing the buy button but I would appreciate advice on this selection of components. I need to keep it under $1000 but if there are any things I have left out (ie do processors usually come with paste or do I need to buy separately?) Thanks very much, Randy
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 15:44:06
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The link you provided merely goes to NewEgg's log-in screen for existing customers... and, NO, I don't want your ID and password! Maybe you should just copy and paste the info into the next forum post so we can comment on it. As for the one question I can answer, I have never had thermal paste supplied with a CPU. I have always had to buy it seperately.
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 15:50:53
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Sorry about that : EDIT: please see below for clearer image (without prices)
post edited by g_randybrown - 2012/05/07 15:55:36
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 15:53:59
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That seems a little hard to read so here's one without prices
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:02:34
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The Asus board and the Ivy Bridge i7 should be a good combination (unless there is something I am not aware of). The mid-tower case is a nice unit and should give you enough room to work with it. Glad to see you went for a hefty power supply... that's always a good idea (I hope it is also rather quiet). The 2x8GB of Corsair should be plenty of memory (do these sticks come with built-on heat sinks?). My only concern is the single SSD hard drive; can I assume you will transfer at least one (hopefully 2) existing drives to store audio and synths/samples?
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:10:09
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The 2x8GB of Corsair should be plenty of memory (do these sticks come with built-on heat sinks?). According to this they have a heat spreader...would that suffice. I wonder if I should add a fan...the case seems to have 3 places for one. My only concern is the single SSD hard drive; can I assume you will transfer at least one (hopefully 2) existing drives to store audio and synths/samples? Yessir, I have an abundance of storage drives...my only concern is the C drive (the new 128 GB SSD) won't be quite big enough even though my current (dedicated) system is only using 100 GB. Thanks very much, Randy
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OlSkoolGuy
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:32:30
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Yes, the heat spreaders will be fine for the RAM. As for fans, you will need some means of heat transfer, but - as you know - the more fans, the more noise. If you can isolate the system to prevent its noise from becoming a problem (during open mic work, etc), a CPU fan and one case fan (to draw hot air out) should suffice. Obviously, the quieter the fans, the better. If you can afford two (or even three) ultra-quiet case fans, great! It means you have deeper pockets than I do. You're right to be concerned about the small SSD drive; after installing the OS, Sonar (and all other program files) and anything else that doesn't belong on the storage drives with your audio and other stuff, you will have no room for expansion. I don't know if SSD drives suffer from the same malady, since they don't have moving parts to wear out, but any hard DISC drive starts showing signs of "indigestion" once you get past 50% capacity. SSD drives are great for a lot of things; I just don't know how much I would trust one in a dedicated DAW system. It's your call.
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g_randybrown
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:38:56
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Thanks, I'll add a case fan but any hard DISC drive starts showing signs of "indigestion" once you get past 50% capacity. I've heard this isn't the case with SSD but I don't know....perhaps I should go with a larger C drive...maybe I should go with a fast HDD...any suggestions there? Thanks again, Randy
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:41:39
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randy,have you ever built one before? its really not that hard,but there are something to look out for and something to consider,the two i use now for x1 i built yes silent fans with shock mounts,not screws. case needs be one of a kind to keep the sound of noises inside,not out. power supply needs to be silent,if you need any help send me a pm,i video recrded my last 4 or 5 builds i might be able to upload the vids to you tube for you. and olskool guy has some really great knowlege as well. i like alot of his ideas.
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g_randybrown
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:45:23
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This case has built in fans...what do you guys think about it. Hey Charlie, I'll PM you now and thanks!
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OlSkoolGuy
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:51:02
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Thanks, chucke - I appreciate the kind words! Randy, if it were my system, I would buy a much larger 7200 rpm drive for the C:. If my memory serves, I believe all the Thermaltake cases are pretty well-insulated (one of their major selling points), which is another good reason to considering the method of cooling (# of fans, etc). I don't think you need to go to the extreme that many gamers do when over-clocking (getting an expensive liquid-cooled rig), but you do need to be cautious. Other than that... let us know how it works!
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 16:57:39
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Randy, if it were my system, I would buy a much larger 7200 rpm drive for the C:. I just don't want any bottlenecks...the drawing of wav forms in my NLE (Vegas Pro) is very slow when they are long ones and I was told this was to to my HDD Do you have any suggestions on a HDD (brand/model) and should I look at 10K rpm?
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 17:05:49
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I thought I'd go with this 4 pack of fans unless someone advises otherwise
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 17:11:00
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Specifically, it would be the THROUGHPUT of the CPU in combination with the speed and efficiency of the drive that would cause that problem (IMHO). On second thought, if I were building a new system right now, I would do some serious research into SSD use for the C: drive before buying. If you find several builders who are successfully utilizing them, and you can afford one that would be large enough for your purposes, it might be the way to go. If not, a 7200 rpm drive should be fine, but if you want to spring for a 10k model, go for it! I always hesitate to recommend brands/models because you never know when a Key Lime might turn out to be a dyed lemon. But I will say I have never gone wrong with top-of-the line Seagate or Western Digital drives, even OEM models.
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 17:17:35
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I love this blurb: "...neglectable 19 dBA noise level bringing peace of mind to you and your co-workers." I think they meant to say "negligible", although 19 dBA might not be so negligible if your mic is only six feet away from your tower! Still, compared to most OEM fans, that IS rather quiet.
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g_randybrown
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 18:55:37
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As per your advice I think I'll go with this HDD I think they meant to say "negligible", although 19 dBA might not be so negligible if your mic is only six feet away from your tower! Still, compared to most OEM fans, that IS rather quiet. Yessir I found some that were above 49 dba for a single fan...surely they are talking about per fan thogh and not collectively (all 4) but I think I'll only need a couple since I won't be overclocking ya?
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/07 23:28:13
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randy,sent you a pm but it says your inbox is full, im off to bed but make some room in your inbox so you can take my mesage and i will take to you tommorow. peace buddy.
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/08 12:08:51
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I don't know but have you looked at the motherboard manual of your computer. I have an old computer, but I have either 1.5 or 3gB (whatever it is) transfer rate from my HDD which is 7200rpm. If you have not switched the jumper on the mother board then perhaps your tranfer rate is set to the minimum (mine was) for DMA transfer to memory of the computer (it does not go through the CPU). The newer computers are 3 or 6gB transfer rate, but if your computer's motherboard is only set for 3gB transfer rate from your HDD you are working at half-speed for transferring data from the HDD to the computer. Setting the jumper on your motherboard (which be in the manual) would change it from the factory setting of 3gB to 6gB transfer rate. Virtual memory in Windows is suppose to be 1-1/2 the amount of memory in the system. Meaning that if you have 16gB of memory, virtual memory should be 24gB.
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g_randybrown
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/08 16:56:12
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spacealf I don't know but have you looked at the motherboard manual of your computer. I have an old computer, but I have either 1.5 or 3gB (whatever it is) transfer rate from my HDD which is 7200rpm. If you have not switched the jumper on the mother board then perhaps your tranfer rate is set to the minimum (mine was) for DMA transfer to memory of the computer (it does not go through the CPU). The newer computers are 3 or 6gB transfer rate, but if your computer's motherboard is only set for 3gB transfer rate from your HDD you are working at half-speed for transferring data from the HDD to the computer. Setting the jumper on your motherboard (which be in the manual) would change it from the factory setting of 3gB to 6gB transfer rate. Virtual memory in Windows is suppose to be 1-1/2 the amount of memory in the system. Meaning that if you have 16gB of memory, virtual memory should be 24gB. Wow, that is good info, thank you I had no idea! I bought everything this morning but upped the PSU to 750 and got this SSD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233220 Thanks to everyone for your help!!! Now if Charlie will just send me his vid on how to put all this crap together I should be in good shape
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/08 20:13:53
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As for the one question I can answer, I have never had thermal paste supplied with a CPU. I have always had to buy it seperately. True enough CPU's do not usually come with thermal paste, but I have not seen a CPU heatsink/cooler that did not come with a thermal transfer compound patch attached for almost a decade. If the CPU heatsink has one of those, then thermal paste is not only superfluous but detrimental to the thermal coupling.
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g_randybrown
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/09 09:19:55
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Not knowing the difference in thermal paste and thermal transfer compound I googled it and came up with this ...it seems they're saying it's the same thing but to get clear on your post; are you saying if the CPU comes with some kind of stuff (for lack of a better word) to use it and if not to use this paste I bought? Thanks very much, Randy
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/09 09:34:35
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Not knowing the difference in thermal paste and thermal transfer compound I googled it and came up with this ...it seems they're saying it's the same thing but to get clear on your post; are you saying if the CPU comes with some kind of stuff (for lack of a better word) to use it and if not to use this paste I bought? Thanks very much, Hi Randy, Use one or the other... not both. FWIW, If you're using a quality 3rd-party CPU cooler with decent thermal paste... you'll be fine.
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/09 10:48:32
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Jim Roseberry Not knowing the difference in thermal paste and thermal transfer compound I googled it and came up with this ...it seems they're saying it's the same thing but to get clear on your post; are you saying if the CPU comes with some kind of stuff (for lack of a better word) to use it and if not to use this paste I bought? Thanks very much, Hi Randy, Use one or the other... not both. FWIW, If you're using a quality 3rd-party CPU cooler with decent thermal paste... you'll be fine. Thanks very much Jim...I did not buy a 3rd party CPU cooler thinking the heat sink/fan that comes with it would suffice (along with 3 other in/out fans). If you suggest another cooler please let me know which one you and I'll order today. Thanks again Jim, Randy
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/09 11:17:06
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If you suggest another cooler please let me know which one you and I'll order today. Hi Randy, Shoot me a PM
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/09 11:55:04
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Just did, thanks very much Jim!
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/10 03:08:53
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are you saying if the CPU comes with some kind of stuff (for lack of a better word) to use it and if not to use this paste I bought? In the old days, heatsinks were shiny metal where they contacted the CPU (also shiny metal). That direct metal to metal contact was actually metal to air to metal since even apparently shiny metal has lots of microscopic pits. The thermal grease/paste/compound is needed to bridge/fill those microscopic pits to improve heat conduction. Nowadays, most CPU heatsinks are supplied with a patch of stuff stuck to them that does the same thing. It usually does not look like grease, but rather like a patch of something. If you look at the CPU cooler where it contacts the CPU and you just see bare metal, then you need the stuff you bought. But if there is a patch of stuff there, you do not. I expect there are some cooling afficiandos out there who will remove the supplied patch of thermal coupling material, sand down to bare metal and then apply some mysterious silver containing compound that cost an arm and a leg to get to an imagined optimum transfer. If you do not remove the supplied patch, then you will probably make the situation worse by using grease on top of it, not better. btw some of the fancy silver containing heatsink compounds turn out to be electrically conductive as well, and if not really carefully applied can cause short circuits. Your CPU spec sheet will give you an operating temperature range, and your motherboard bios, or some utility software will give you an accurate enough reading of the CPU temp to see if you are cool enough. Unless you are massively overclocking, or your CPU fan fails, it is unlikely that you will fry your CPU.
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Re:My 1st build
2012/05/10 08:26:57
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Thanks David, I did some research on this after your post and along with this post I reckon I get it now...I also downloaded a free utility called Core Temp to monitor temperature. Thanks again, Randy
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