CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!!

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CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!!

I have been running Sonar 6 for a couple of years on an ageing machine and I decided yesterday to upgrade my mobo, cpu etc. Trouble is when I run Sonar 6 and open any project whether new or existing, the CPU meter is at maximum (warning) pretty much constantly even when sonar is idle. My machine specs are as follows : Cakewalk FA-66 Asus FM1 F1A55-M LE Motherboard AMD A6 3500 APU (Triple core) 4 Gigs Ram SATA hd 580 watt ATX supply Pinnacle PCI firewire card (which worked fine in my old system) OS - XP 32 bit with SP3 I have installed latest driver for the FA66 (which hasnt changed since '07), have tried different hardware configurations incase something is conflicting. Have checked the Firewire card has its own IRQ......tried different buffer sizes in Sonar and WDM or ASIO drivers......nothing seems to work!!!!....starting to regret ever changing the PC innards....it may have taken forever to load Easy drummer but at least it was glitch free!! Was wondering if anyone else has experienced this at all??
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    chuckebaby
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/08 17:43:29 (permalink)
    have you reinstalled your os,a clean install?
    it is common practice to reinstall a fresh os when replacing the mobo this is under any curcimstances

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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/08 20:23:12 (permalink)
    Well I feel your pain. I had a similar issue after changing my MOBO, and all I did was replace my MOBO with an identical one to fix a problem. Now mine was a board Intel made for Dell, and it was in intel processor too, but the fix I found was my BIOS settings, which of course are stored in the MOBO. For me the main thing was that I didn't have what my CPU calls "hypertheading" enabled, which for you would be the equivalent of having all but one CPU core enabled. But the thing is, you UPGRADED your MOBO, which means there could be any number of less than optimal CPU settings. The main clock speed (which you didn't mention) is usually selectable in the bios settings, and it just might be set (by default) to err on the side of safety rather than the max your CPU is rated for. Other clock speed (like FSB--- front side bus) speed might also be selectable.

    I'm no expert on changing MOBOs, and trust me I did mine with great trepidation and nail biting. At least the system booted. But getting things totally optimized might take a bit of research. Sorry i can't be more help.

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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/08 23:23:50 (permalink)
    If you just replaced the motherboard and kept the same disks and firewire adapter, then it logically follows that the slowness must be attributed to the motherboard, as opposed to drivers or buffers. That pretty much narrows it down to BIOS settings and interrupt assignments. Don't go tweaking Windows until you figure out what's eating your CPU cycles. Keep in mind that it's a CPU problem, so you don't get distracted by advice to defrag your drives or disable virtual memory or any of the other stuff that has nothing to do with CPU resources.

    Verify that the firewire interface does in fact have its own IRQ. It can look like you're assigning an IRQ in the BIOS, but ACPI does not respect that setting. Check Device Manager or use a system info utility to be sure. While you're in DM, disable the network option (e.g. "1394 Net Adapter") for your firewire adapter. If the motherboard has a built-in firewire interface, disable it in the BIOS.

    In the BIOS, look for anything that can be disabled, such as unused ports, HPET, and especially the onboard audio interface. Turn off power-saving options and AMD's equivalent to SpeedStep, whatever that's called. Disable core parking and anything else having to do with processor throttling. If you're using an onboard network adapter, try disabling it, too. Just to see if the problem goes away. NICs are notorious for excessive interrupt overhead, especially wireless NICs.

    Run the DPC Latency Checker and look for big spikes that might indicate a hardware device that's hogging system resources. If you do see them, the network adapter should be prime suspect #1.




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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 02:10:36 (permalink)
      Hi Chuckebaby, Yes I did a completely clean install as the original hard drives were IDE (ATA133) and not compatible with the new MOBO (all SATA)!
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 02:16:33 (permalink)
    @ BITFLIPPER:- Thanks, I did check the IRQ for the Firewire card, it was IRQ20 (which according to Windows device manager was not being shared), but I am guessing that the IRQ number equates to the order the CPU gives time to?...if this is the case, then IRQ20 was the last in the list! If not, then I will try the DPC Latency checker and see what's going on. I'll also have a delve into the BIOS just in case I missed anything when I first set the unit up. BTW, the onboard audio is disabled (One of the first things i did!).
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 02:25:51 (permalink)
    have you got a look in task manager to see how much juice sonar is pumping out?
    andy,does it max out as soon as you open a new project?
    no plug ins,nothing?
    im wondering if the new mobo isnt quite taking on to your soundcard.
    how old is that pinncle?

    you might be able to switch into mme to get an idea if its the device thats maxing you.
    just as a quick test.

    sorry,im kinda scratching my head right now like you are.
    though bit-flip is one of the best guys to have answering your threads.
    so atleast you got that on your side.

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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 02:35:26 (permalink)
    I'm kinda hoping it's not the firewire card , but seeing as thats the only original piece of hardware thats being used, I'm guessing that maybe the MOBO doesn't like the card (which is PCI BTW), perhaps a PCIe firewire card my work better as the MOBO doesn't have built in firewire? I'm going to try the DPC checker though just to be sure and systematically disable components to see what's going on!!
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 08:53:18 (permalink)
      Right then, I downloaded DPC Latency checker and ran it....the bar graph was red lining constantly!! Tried disabling different devices, mainly networking adaptors etc. but still no difference. I should add that I had the FA-66 on and plugged in at the time.......now the strange part. When I switched off the FA-66 the DPC graph dropped to well below 500us (Actual reading was around 240us). Am I being thick by thinking that the DPC latency checker should be showing a low reading with the FA-66 on?...or is it that the CPU is spending all of its time communicating with the FA66 which is why its showing a high reading?? The only other thing I can think of is that my new MOBO doesn't like the Pinnacle Firewire PCI card (of which I cant seem to change it's IRQ either in the BIOS or with device manager (the option to manually set it is greyed out)) Any suggestions would be most gratefully received!!
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 09:08:55 (permalink)
    its kinda what ive thought all this time,i think its got something to do with that pinncle card,
    have you tried switching over to mme(your driver mode) to test?

    if you use your onboard soundcard as a test we can narrow it down and see if you still have the problem.

    see if you use mmme(onboard soundcard)and your computer isnt spiking,
    its that pinncle card.

    cause what i had though all along here was,though your os is comp with the card,the mobo is not.
    it will ofcourse work,but the ramifications are the examples your getting now.

    go into preferences/driver options/change it to mme/run the wave profiler
    check the module to see if your still maxing out.
    hit play as well,check it out well the transport is moving.

    if it displays no issues,well,then i think youve found your issue.
    i could be wrong,maybe there is something in the bios that can majicaly make this all better,but im kinda leaning toward the side on not.

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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 09:14:40 (permalink)
    Thanks Chuckebaby, I will try re-enabling the onboard sound and run Sonar....see what happens. Although the more I think about it logically, the only thing left in my new system is the Pinnacle PCI card...perhaps for the sake of a few pounds (or $!!), would be to change it for a PCIe one.
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/09 09:56:19 (permalink)
    I get the same reaction from my Tascam but only under 32 OS both Vista and XP. It does not happen under W7 64 bit.It's strange and I've asked on a few forums if anyone else gets this result and so far no one else reported back. Very few people are still on 32 bit anymore I guess. Under 32 bit, the minue you turn the Tascam on the Dpclat jumps to yellow ( not red) under 64 bit there is zero change in levels.
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/10 15:01:22 (permalink)
    Just thought I would say a quick thank you to everybody whom posted on this thread giving me ideas of what to look for with the problem I had. Well I am pleased to say that I have at least found the culprit and by fitting a new PCIe Firewire card, the problem exists no more!! Hooray!!
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    Re:CPU meter maxes out in Sonar 6....please help am going mad!! 2012/05/10 15:26:49 (permalink)
    good news andy,happy here 4 you buddy

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