Help needed! Audio Snap issue ***Solved***

 
 
1) I'm trying to set tempo from the clip, but it is giving me a weird out of range message.  
2) it won't let me move transients
3) it won't let me add transients manually
 
I've got a couple clips like this in this project.  The other clips work fine
 
 

Fbb - thanks - My screenshot didn't have the beats - I forgot to include them.  Yes that's the weird part - beats  were strange looking in edit maps.  So I tried to add transients so I could align the beats - but it won't let me add any transients at all.  It lets me in the other clips but not in this one.  And you can see obvious transients that it didn't identify.

I don't use audio snap a lot so it is a bit of a learning curve for me.  I'm getting the hang of it but then it acts like this and really throws me.

I'll try to add some more screen shots.  

Well I wish I knew what "audio shape" meant.

why not check out fast bikers video
there is a great one on editing the tempo map

chuckebaby


why not check out fast bikers video
there is a great one on editing the tempo map

Thanks, yes I did already.  I also watched other videos on this.  They all say I can hold the alt down and draw in a transient.  And I can, but just not at the begining of this clip. 

Geno I want you to know I was not chiding you or finding fault. I really had no clue what the title meant. For me it could have been a term I had not heard before. Which is very likely in my case.

Any rate I truly appreciate your tolerance in your response. Well done Sir.

If your trying to set the tempo from that clip you may have a mess on your hands.  That clip looks like a hard one.
 
Why not try recording the tempo with Midi (like hitting your finger on one key to the beat of the music).  That way you set the feel for the groove.  Then use "Set beat and measure at Now" command 
 
This will give you a screwed up looking tempo map that you can change by making every clip a grove clip.  You could then flatten out the tempo map to make the whole enchilada smoother.  This you would have to still do even if you used Audio Snap.
 
Either way what your trying to do is a pain in the ____.  I do it all the time.
 
 

If it gets messy you could always move each clip to another sub project temporary.  Then work them and bring them back when your done. 
 
With the new fancy browser you can just drag each whole sub project right into the main project just like an effects plugin.

Sounds like a mess alright. 
 
You might bale out now before you put anymore time into trying to work it all in just one project.
 
What if you get everything almost set and then right at the end some little thing screws up the who ball of wax.
 
With little projects you won't loose everything. 

You have to select all the tracks you want to work at the same time before you turn on Audio Snap.
 
All audio snap functions will follow snap to grid (this could screw things up if you don't know that)
 
Looks like it says 170 bpm at the bottom of your tempo map.  I can't believe Kansas was playing that fast unless they were on speed or something but maybe I'm wrong.
 
You got to select the closest bpm - and the proper beats per measure -  to the actual one first before you can do anything else.
 
 
You can only drag beat markers to transient marker so you will have to create one if one is not there.
 
Are you doing all this?  If your not it will screw it up.
 
 

So, align all the clips first, then hit set project temp so clips?  The error message makes sense now, because I was trying to process each clip separately.  I'll give that a try.

Yes - the 170 section is like 14.5 1/4 notes, before repeat, so I had to double up to 1/8's.  This is the only really weird section in the song.  The rest is more normal.

Plus you dont want to mess with any tempo changes at this point.  You'll want to do that using the tempo map to draw the tempo changes. 
 
You use clip follows project command at the end when you get the whole thing maped out.  Or you can make groove clips and do it that way. 
 
You can't have any tempo changes before you do audio snap everything has to look as one tempo at this point.
 
Its going to be a mess for sure because your going to be trying to stretch audio around by drawing in the tempo changes later after you get it mapped out and it will probally sound like crap.
 
However if you put each tempo section into its own project you can tweek it the way you want and the changes won't be so harsh becaus it will aready be close to right. 
 
This is if I even can figure out what it is your trying to do agian.  Anyhow think about it.  Good luck.

guitartrek


I checked the clip - it is not locked

Not sure what's going on there as 3:1, 3:2 and 3:3 appear to be locked to transients that don't exist.

With the Filter settings you have you should be able to see all transients.

What I've found is if you are splitting clips or slip editing them in anyway you are far better bouncing to clip or "apply trimming" before you start doing any sort of Audiosnap editing. As I understand it split/edit clips aren't really split or edited until that happens and I assume that will play havoc with AS.

That would be my starting point anyway. I've even managed to get AS to crash Sonar by working on clips with sections of long silence at the beginning and splitting but not applying those changes. I posted on that elsewhere.

guitartrek


Wave - the sub project thing is probably the only way to do this I guess - before I do that, can you check this out:

I wiped out all the tempo changes, and then successfully set the project tempo from the first clip.  The first clip ends before 42:1 - and that's where I put the second clip.  but I get that same message again when I try to set project tempo from the 2nd clip.

If that clip is a complete clip (as opposed to a split or slip edited one) then 1:1 is fine there. 1:1 is only relative to the clip map edit not the project. For example most of my projects start at measure 2, but when clip map editing they will always show 1:1 (or even 0:1) depending on where I decide 1:1 is going to be. In your scenario above 42:01 is that clips 1:1 as long as there is no hidden data at the front of that clip.

Try rolling out the front of that clip using the slip method and see what happens. If you get a flat line great, if it starts revealing more wave form see the first part of this reply regarding bouncing to clip or applying trimming.

HTH

Wave - thanks for your help.  Basically what I'm trying to do is map out tempo to match a live performance of that Kansas song.  It is 10 minutes long and has a bunch of different sections of time signature changes.  Because the time signature changes, I've broken it up into different clips. It seems that Sonar has a maximum of 14 beats per measure, so I can't set that one section - which is 29/8, so I just set to something else and deal with it.

Here's the song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVtEjDq0NaI

Thats right you can't have any groove clips.
 
Glad you were able to find the problem.  Now the real fun starts