arachnaut
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Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
I discovered a system policy power setting that may be of use to others. While browsing through the settings it caught my eye and I've been using it for the last few months with no problems. What it does is keep the power supply running during a restart. This leaves the disks running, stops the audio from popping, the fans stay on, all this probably depends on how your motherboard and drivers work. It would seem to be a lot less stressful on the system components. 
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/11 17:43:38
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Why would you want everything running on a start up? Your computers power supply rail may or may not be able to handle that full power surge.
If it works for you great but I can't see why it should make any difference.
It could put more stress on components if you get a power surge of some kind when you start with all components running.
If this is what your talking about (I can't read you screen shot its all blurry).
Cheers, Wave
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/11 17:53:02
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"stops the audio from popping"
howzdat?
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/11 17:59:48
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All you need to do is set Windows 7 to the high performance power setting...
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/11 23:53:14
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When you say stops the audio popping, I take it your referring to the power supply switching you'd hear if you sound card, amps and speakers were all on during boot up.
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arachnaut
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 12:17:56
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Wave
Why would you want everything running on a start up? Your computers power supply rail may or may not be able to handle that full power surge.
If it works for you great but I can't see why it should make any difference.
It could put more stress on components if you get a power surge of some kind when you start with all components running.
If this is what your talking about (I can't read you screen shot its all blurry).
If you click on the image to expand it to full size it will display in its native image format - the forum software does the compression to fit your display. It is not about having things running at start-up it is about keeping things running across a restart. The component stress you talk about is precisely what this prevents - there is no power cycle surge when you restart - so the supply has no stress added. The drives don't stop and go through their start-up surge - the fans stay on to keep things cool. The pop is the thump I hear when my audio interface goes through a power cycle - that also doesn't happen now.
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 12:19:54
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BEATZM1D10T
All you need to do is set Windows 7 to the high performance power setting...
That's something else entirely. I don't think that setting does the same thing.
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Wave
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 12:28:42
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Clicked all over the image it did nothing  If the computer keeps on running the power to everything during a "restart" wouldn't it be powering the CPU also, and then how would it be restarting in the first place? I agree if everything stays running that that would avoid any power surge. But then again how would it be restarting? Anyhow, why would you need to keep restarting the computer; unless you had some kind of critical error or something. You may want to put this in the computer forums to see if some of the builders know more about your find. 
Cheers, Wave
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 13:05:47
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Yes, why would you be re booting all the time. If that is happening one would want to deal with it and soon. I can't remember when it was I've had to re boot while working,,, long long time ago. And I always shut down my Power amp-then my mixer-then my interface then the computer. Mixer and Power amp are not turned on until desktop is there.
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arachnaut
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 13:16:55
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Wave
Clicked all over the image it did nothing
If the computer keeps on running the power to everything during a "restart" wouldn't it be powering the CPU also, and then how would it be restarting in the first place?
I agree if everything stays running that that would avoid any power surge. But then again how would it be restarting?
Anyhow, why would you need to keep restarting the computer; unless you had some kind of critical error or something.
You may want to put this in the computer forums to see if some of the builders know more about your find.
In Chrome, if you right click and show the image in a new window, or save the image as a file you will see the image file I made and not what your viewer is showing you. The image I put on my web site is in HD full screen '1920x1050' format 24-bit color depth and should be crystal clear. I never power down or restart unless I have to -- when I install things - like the recent Windows Updates from Patch Tuedsay -- I am required to restart. This local policy setting goes through the registry and sets policies like this (but there are many such locations depending on your hardware): [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Group Policy Objects\{0A445298-15D9-4862-B1BB-A7D433E4C7E7}Machine\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT] "DontPowerOffAfterShutdown"=dword:00000001 It is not part of the ACPI scheme subsystem as far as I know, this is something else.
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 13:18:05
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Cactus Music
Yes, why would you be re booting all the time. If that is happening one would want to deal with it and soon. I can't remember when it was I've had to re boot while working,,, long long time ago. And I always shut down my Power amp-then my mixer-then my interface then the computer. Mixer and Power amp are not turned on until desktop is there.
What's all this talk about rebooting all the time?
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 13:19:26
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 15:15:02
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Good way to extend the life of the power supply and also drain less power amongst those components during a reboot I would think. Having the power supply reboot (shutting off then on) would put a load and strain on those components while using more power. The same could be said about laptops that require a reboot and on the other hand system hibernation conserves power
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 15:28:07
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As I posted above: It would seem to be a lot less stressful on the system components. Way back in the days of SCSI drives, when I had multiple disks I could set them up to start up with a delay based on their logical unit number. Nowadays I think drive firmware may have some randomized startup timer feature. Since I have 6 high speed drives, when they all start up it causes quite a current draw. Besides that, drives like to spin so that flat spots never develop in the bearings, and computers like keep cool and need their fans, and I don't like that loud pop that drives my amplified speakers and my eardrums nuts.
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 16:36:46
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Wave
Clicked all over the image it did nothing
If the computer keeps on running the power to everything during a "restart" wouldn't it be powering the CPU also, and then how would it be restarting in the first place?
I agree if everything stays running that that would avoid any power surge. But then again how would it be restarting?
Anyhow, why would you need to keep restarting the computer; unless you had some kind of critical error or something.
You may want to put this in the computer forums to see if some of the builders know more about your find.
im sensing some negetivity ? one thing to disagree with the guy but why you shooting him down? there are many reasons to be restarting. sonarpdr. is one of them if not the most important.
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 17:15:27
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 20:42:28
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Good way to extend the life of the power supply and also drain less power amongst those components during a reboot I would think. Having the power supply reboot (shutting off then on) would put a load and strain on those components while using more power. The same could be said about laptops that require a reboot and on the other hand system hibernation conserves power
I see when you look at it that way. If you have to restart. The reason I didn't see it is because I put my computer to sleep and I don't have any internet on the computer to get updates and such to need a reboot. I only do a full restart every once in a blue moon (just for the heck of it). I have SSD drives so my boot up time is nothing with sleep. Also it keeps the room cool and quiet and less dust in my case and less money for electric and so on and so on. Many people don't want to power their system down at all and in that case this looks like it could help those people. P.S. Chuckebaby - I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm just here to learn (my mind is like a damp sponge ready to absorb) 
Cheers, Wave
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/12 20:56:50
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What does it matter what the power supply is doing? Or the components for that matter. The software will have closed during a restart. On a system where peripheral interfaces may need to be powered on in a specific order to get Windows to grab the right driver, it may do more damage than good.
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/13 18:19:36
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Wave, you may want to restart more often since putting the system to sleep (hibernation) uses a stored saved file in Windows that over time slows down the performance of Windows and programs. Restarting the system, clears the hibernation file, similar to clearing RAM. CRG, the point is... it puts a lot less stress on the power supply and system components = longer lifespan of your DAW build.
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Re:Windows 7 Local Policy Power configuration
2012/05/13 20:16:35
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Hmm, let me see, the discs are still spinning, the needles are still moving, the power supply is still running, the fans are still running, the CPU is still cycling. The turn on spikes you speak of don't amount to Sh** in terms of longevity. Sorry, but I'm at a loss to see what you are saving here. Even the reboot time has to be about the same.
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