shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer

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2012/05/11 21:33:11 (permalink)

shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer

I am wishing to mimic shoegazing sounds in Sonar X1 Producer.
 
Is there any way to do this using pre-installed guitar tracks?
 
Or should I rely on third-party VSTi?
 
If third-party VSTi is the only option, which do you recommend, and what tutorials are there that I can learn?
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    Wave
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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/11 22:12:15 (permalink)
    I don't see why you couldn't do it with automation and use of Guitar Rig.  But I'm not sure you can get the same sound like pressing effects with your feet and a real guitar. 
    Not sure how those artists made them sounds.  Seems like its kind of a free for all and anything can go. 
     
    As far as pre installed guitar tracks go that would probably be a No. 
     
    Guitar tracks would not create guitar sound you would need to record your own guitar and use effects to make the sounds.
     
    or use Midi files from a guitar synth and then feed that audio through the effect/chains of your liking.
     
    You would have to experiment and try it for yourself to see if it will work.

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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/12 03:21:48 (permalink)
    What are shoegazing sounds?
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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/12 03:26:57 (permalink)
    my bloody valentine et al, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoegazing

    list of stuff
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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/12 04:07:03 (permalink)
    I assume that you want to do it with a soft synth rather than playing guitar? I don't know if I'd even attempt it with all the work you'd have to do in automation just to get the guitar to sound like a real person. 

    As far as effects go, shoegaze was mostly about playing into a wall of effects. Distortions, choruses, phasers, delays, etc. The signature sound of several of the groups, including Kevin Shields from My Bloody Valentine, was the Alesis Midiverb II. Specifically the 'bloom' presets, which if I remember right, were 45 to 49. They would even stack multiple Midiverbs on top of each other, and while strumming the chords, gently depress or raise the tremolo.

    It would be a lot easier to play guitar into the computer and just put some vst effects rather than trying to mimic it with a synth. Valhalla DSP has an excellent effect for shoegaze called Shimmer. There's even a tutorial on the page on how to set it for the bloom effect.

    http://valhalladsp.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/valhallashimmer-tips-and-tricks-bloom/

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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/12 06:46:16 (permalink)
     You really need to use a guitar, and not a soft synth if you want to get that MBV / Ride etc. kind of sound. It is instrumental to the overal "wall of sound" they create.

    in itself, the sound is not that hard to recreate. You need a "fender" kind of sound (as opposed to humbucker type of guitars), a good combination of clean boost / overdrive / fuzz a range of modulation effects of your choice, lots of delays and reverbs, and if you really are after the MBV sound, the use of the tremolo arm on the guitar is pretty much constant.

    the guitar is hardly ever "in tune".

    I'm sure you'll get close to it with guitar rig (although version 5 is much improved) and a clever use of sythn on top of the guitars will get you all the way down looking at your shoes.

    Hope this helps
    post edited by vinny199 - 2012/05/12 06:52:44

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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/12 10:11:27 (permalink)
    @pwal: From Wikipedia

    "The shoegazing sound is typified by significant use of guitar effects, and indistinguishable vocal melodies"

    Hey, but that's us!
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    Re:shoegazing effects in Sonar X1 Producer 2012/05/12 11:36:35 (permalink)
    :-)

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