Harpo
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Panning Options
Hi All! I've discovered that "Panning" in Sonar X1 Expanded can be a more of a chore than it has been in previous versions of Sonar. I noticed that if I want to pan a track with a send (or multiple sends), I have to not only adjust the "main" Pan knob (located above the track fader), but also any and all "send pan knobs" as well! I don't remember having to go through all of this in previous versions of Sonar. I think I understand the logic (not really), but I kind of liked just being able to pan the track with one pan knob and that would be that! What do you guys and gals think about this change?
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 09:41:38
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I don't know what you're talking about. The panning scheme is the same in X1 as it was in 8.5 - as it was in 8.0 - as it was in 7 - as it was in 6 You only need to play around with the send pans if you want to, er, pan your send, and I think the option of "Send Follows Track Pan" is still there?
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Harpo
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 10:00:39
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Interesting. I must say, this situation doesn't present itself in every single project I encounter, but most of them do respond in this fashion. So, what's going on? Any cues?
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 10:15:15
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What is it you're trying to do?
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 10:54:34
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Keeping seperate panning controls for the track and the sends is intended. This is the way it should be. This allows the greatest degree of flexibility. If you want to keep your send and track pans locked together, you can create a group, add those controls to the group. Then when you move one pan, the other will follow.
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 11:20:36
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Right-click on the aux-send pan slider and select "follow track pan", which links the aux-send pan to the primary pan slider. The aux-send pan slider becomes disabled when this option is turned on. This method was introduced at SONAR 8, I think. Older versions of SONAR required setting an obscure aud.ini value to do this. BTW, I agree with Sylvan's assertion that having separate pans is the way it should be. At least, if you're going to stick with the idea of modelling hardware mixers.
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Harpo
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 14:31:33
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Thanks Guys! That's a big help! Bristol_Jonsey: What I was trying to do was simply pan a track just using "only" the main track pan knob. Sometimes when I do this the track pans just fine turning this knob, but most of the time I need to pan all the pan knobs from any and all sends I might have added to that particular track in order to get the signal to pan properly! I really don't ever remember encountering this in any other version of Sonar, but I do believe the experience from others and what you guys have explained. Thanks
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 14:35:37
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i know exactly what your talking about. it is all in the sends though.and bit's idea: "follow tracks pan" is the way to go.
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 14:42:01
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Do you mean the fact for example that, say you have Left Guitar and Right Guitar tracks panned hard and output to a stereo bus - panning the bus left REMOVES the right guitar? I haven't done this with sends but I presume it's the same. What I'm really wanting to do in that case is like what Protools allows with it's dual pan control - panning the right side slightly left. EDIT: No..that's not what you meant at all, oops! How do other people deal with this?
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 16:42:46
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Ethereal: Yes, panning the bus all the way left would indeed remove the right guitar in your scenario. That's because SONAR's pan control works as a balance control on stereo tracks and busses, like the Balance knob on your stereo. We don't have the luxury of ProTools' dual pan control, but we have something that in some ways is even better: the Channel Tools plugin. What Harpo is talking about (I think) is using an aux send to an effects bus, such as a reverb send. Sometimes, you want to have the main instrument panned opposite a reverb or delay. This helps to widen the sound as well as to improve clarity on the effected instrument, and may help with carving a hole in the center for vocals. Other times, you want to pan the effect the same way as the instrument.
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Re:Panning Options
2012/05/15 18:53:56
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Anyone remember the GIGASTUDIO track pan control... two knobs... the outer one you set the width and position of the stereo field, the inner know set the signal position within the stereo field defined by the outer knob. Most intuitive and visual... CHANNEL TOOLS is more flexible but not as intuitive.. in the old days, stereo channels didn't exist and if you want to record in stereo, you need to MONO tracks, but as such, you then had complete control of the stereo field by having two tracks.. but you needed to make sure you had a phase switch on the mixer or else. I miss the old days, Jim
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