StevenMikel
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I learned something new today ..... ampsim trick
Until this morning I had always put amp sims(PodFarm,Guitar Rig etc..) in my guitar/bass tracks' effects bin(s).Today for some reason I wanted to try something different.I created 3 busses,1 each for 2 different amps and,1 for my convolution plug.On my di guitar track I made a send for each amp,on the 2 amp busses I made sends to the convolution plug.I used PodFarm 2.5 for my ampsims,I didn't use their cabnet sims.,my convolution plug was LeCab2.For each amp I used the full version of PodFarm with an amp and a noisegate.The amps were 1968 Plexi Variac'd and 1993 Solo 100(I'm a big VH fan).The ir's I used were RedWirez Marshall 1960 4x12 with Clestion G12Ms,Shure SM57 cap center right on the grill. The result I got sounded much more like a real amp I couldn't believe the difference.I did notice though that using this method put a good hit on my cpu.I'm sure this is nothing new but,its new to me and it was fun figuring it out on my own.
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/15 17:48:03
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StevenMikel
Until this morning I had always put amp sims(PodFarm,Guitar Rig etc..) in my guitar/bass tracks' effects bin(s).Today for some reason I wanted to try something different.I created 3 busses,1 each for 2 different amps and,1 for my convolution plug.On my di guitar track I made a send for each amp,on the 2 amp busses I made sends to the convolution plug.I used PodFarm 2.5 for my ampsims,I didn't use their cabnet sims.,my convolution plug was LeCab2.For each amp I used the full version of PodFarm with an amp and a noisegate.The amps were 1968 Plexi Variac'd and 1993 Solo 100(I'm a big VH fan).The ir's I used were RedWirez Marshall 1960 4x12 with Clestion G12Ms,Shure SM57 cap center right on the grill.
The result I got sounded much more like a real amp I couldn't believe the difference.I did notice though that using this method put a good hit on my cpu.I'm sure this is nothing new but,its new to me and it was fun figuring it out on my own.
If the strain is too much (on your cpu) you could print a stereo wav and mix that.
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StevenMikel
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/15 18:13:48
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StevenMikel
Until this morning I had always put amp sims(PodFarm,Guitar Rig etc..) in my guitar/bass tracks' effects bin(s).Today for some reason I wanted to try something different.I created 3 busses,1 each for 2 different amps and,1 for my convolution plug.On my di guitar track I made a send for each amp,on the 2 amp busses I made sends to the convolution plug.I used PodFarm 2.5 for my ampsims,I didn't use their cabnet sims.,my convolution plug was LeCab2.For each amp I used the full version of PodFarm with an amp and a noisegate.The amps were 1968 Plexi Variac'd and 1993 Solo 100(I'm a big VH fan).The ir's I used were RedWirez Marshall 1960 4x12 with Clestion G12Ms,Shure SM57 cap center right on the grill.
The result I got sounded much more like a real amp I couldn't believe the difference.I did notice though that using this method put a good hit on my cpu.I'm sure this is nothing new but,its new to me and it was fun figuring it out on my own.
If the strain is too much (on your cpu) you could print a stereo wav and mix that.
Thanks.I was wondering about that.
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/15 18:15:45
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Did you pan send 1 and send 2 hard left and right? Or just a wall of sound
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StevenMikel
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/15 18:36:41
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Did you pan send 1 and send 2 hard left and right? Or just a wall of sound
I tried it both ways,they both serve their purposes.
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/15 22:08:00
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thanks Steven - I'm going to give this a go
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StevenMikel
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/26 23:03:21
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I just posted a track on SoundCloud to compare the difference between using an ampsim in an effects bin and using one on a bus,the track is the same riff played in three sections. http://soundcloud.com/ste...iffs-entire-mix-mix-35 I'm kind of bummed because,to me there isn't a noticeable difference between the 2 methods,theres a difference just not much of one.
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/27 11:13:40
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There should really be no sonic difference between placing an effect on a track versus a bus. There are advantages and disadvantages to both methods, but they don't have to do with how the signal is processed within the effect, only about how the signal is routed in the project.
Putting the amp sim on a bus allows you to send multiple guitar tracks to a single instance of the plugin, assuring a consistent tone across multiple takes and minimizing CPU usage (versus many instances of the plugin). It also accommodates parallel effects and easy wet/dry adjustments and automation.
The downside to bus effects is that you can't freeze busses, so if CPU usage is getting out of hand you'll have to bounce to a new track rather than enjoying the convenience of the freeze function.
Another big limitation of bussed amp sims in particular is that most of them are mono effects and therefore impose mono-ization of a stereo bus. For example, you can't have two guitar tracks panned 100% apart and use sends to route them both to a common amp sim on a bus without losing their pan positions.
Personally, I usually put amp sims in as track inserts. Amp sims tend to be high-latency CPU-munchers, so I typically freeze them once I'm happy with the tone.
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/27 11:56:26
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Personally, I usually put amp sims in as track inserts. Amp sims tend to be high-latency CPU-munchers, so I typically freeze them once I'm happy with the tone.
I've been doing this (almost) from the get go and did not even know the science behind it. 
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StevenMikel
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Re:I learned something new today
2012/05/30 15:40:54
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Using ampsims on busses can be good for using multiple ampsims on one track,like splitting the signal from your guitar and sending it 2(or more) different amps.I know PodFarm 2.5 and Guitar Rig let you use 2 amps at a time but,if you wanted to use an amp from PF and an amp from GR,you could assign each one to its own bus.l use PodFarm 2.5,Guitar Rig 3LE,Guitar Rig 4,ACMEBG Shred,and the LePou ampsims and,they all have their strengths and weekness,using some of them together could lead to more realistic and intersting tones.
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Re:I learned something new today ..... ampsim trick
2012/05/30 21:56:56
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Good stuff.
Its really hard to get an amp-sim to sound like a mic on a cone, room mic, and DI. Especially all at once.
Try tracking straight through your line6 instead of the insert might also work as well.
How do you like your 5150?
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StevenMikel
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Re:I learned something new today ..... ampsim trick
2012/05/31 07:54:25
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Good stuff.
Its really hard to get an amp-sim to sound like a mic on a cone, room mic, and DI. Especially all at once.
Try tracking straight through your line6 instead of the insert might also work as well.
How do you like your 5150?
Thanks
Lately I have been tracking straight in through PodFarm 2.5.Using speaker ir's gets pretty close to sounding like a mic'd cab. The 5150 is great for 80's to modern rock and metal but,for anything else,it isn't very good.I'm going to sell it and buy a different amp.
post edited by StevenMikel - 2012/06/03 13:27:51
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