Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp?

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2012/05/19 15:42:16 (permalink)

Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp?

I know this isn't specifically an X1 question but wanted to see what you guys said. So obviously just plugging into GR4 and using the monitors to hear what's happening is easy but I was wondering about different ways to run it out to my amps. I have an old Traynor TS-150 I use for practicing. On the front it has "Normal" in/out and then "Low" in/out. On the back there is another quarter inch in and a balanced XLR out. I also have an old Line 6 head with far more input output options including effects send/return (I just disconnect the speaker jack on the Traynor and use the Line 6 instead). I prefer the tone of the Traynor to the Line 6 but obviously I have way more connectivity options with the Line 6. I know there are probably multiple ways to do this but I'm just trying to figure out what all my options are and what their particular benefits or lack thereof are. I should note that my new i/o box is only gonna have two line outs so if I were going to use the amp as a guitar monitor while listening to stereo playback from Sonar I won't have a direct line out available (unless there is a way around that somehow). Any thoughts? Cheers.
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    RogerH
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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 16:58:41 (permalink)
    I can't see what good this will do for your guitar tone. The GR4 has plenty of options  effects/amp and routing posibilities. If you really want to use your Traynor amp, then just dial in the best tone you can get, put a mic in front of it and play from the heart!   

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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 17:06:51 (permalink)
    Sorry... I should have made that a little clearer. I probably wouldn't be using it for recording. Just practicing and testing out different sounds. If it works out I might use it for monitoring while recording. I know a lot of guys are using GR onstage these days instead of stomp boxes and rack effects. As well I really don't think I'd want to crank up my Mackie monitors to squealer levels if I wanted to shake the walls. The Traynor does however provide an excellent clean tone to put effects on top of so it is possible I'd mic it sometimes.
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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 17:20:18 (permalink)
    Ok I didn't read your post right in the first place sorry.  I don't have a good solution for your question other than split the guitar signal and send one to the amp and one to sonar (GR4). If you don't have a split box maybe ou can use a stereo delay with left and right output and use it just for splitting (no effect active)

    And I prefer the good old tube amp/stomp boxes when I'm playing live and recording, but GR4 is great for recording late night riffs without waking up the kids  

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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 17:30:35 (permalink)
    Thanks but I actually want to either plug my guitar into my i/o box > GR 4 > amp or maybe somehow use and effects send/return type set up which I've never actually done before because I've always just used stompboxes in between the guitar and the amp. So basically I'd be using GR 4 to replace my stompboxes. NI makes a pedal board for this stuff but its a couple hundred bucks. I'm sure this is covered on NIs website though. I'll just have to dig around a bit.
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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 19:22:24 (permalink)
    You want to bi-amp with a computer output as your first amp so to speak. I guess normal would be a Hi-Z input on a guitar amp, so the low input would be the way to go. A line in would be better but the low should be a line in. Usually that will only access your pre-amp in the Traynor or any other amp. Computer outputs usually don't match the impedances of professional equipment so it's going to be a test and see scenario. If you have the manuals for all of the equipment, try to see if the inputs/outputs are +4 or -10.

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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 19:50:00 (permalink)
    Thanks, Crg. This Traynor is quite literally older than I am and I've tried finding manuals in the past but failed. I might try again but that is pretty much what I was thinking. Use the "Low" input from a line out of the i/o box. If all else fails using the ancient Traynor transistor stuff I do, as I said, have much more input/output options on the Line 6... but I found that head just makes everything sound squashed and flat. It's a semi useful tool but it probably wasn't my wisest purchase. For $300 though I've probably gotten my money's worth just saving time dicking around with micing stuff and whatever due to the two balanced XLR outs and dual line outs for each of the amps on the L6 (you can program two amp models to run at once and send them to either of those outputs making doubling a track for a single performance very simple). I saw a little Yamaha rig recently that looked pretty cool but I forget the model number. Wish I had more cash for this type of stuff.
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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/19 23:14:26 (permalink)
    This is what I do.

    I input to a direct box. From the direct box I route the xlr out to my AI and the direct out goes to my Blackstar HT5 head. I route the emulated out to my AI as well as the line out from the effects loop. I end up with 3 tracks for one part. I only monitor the emulated out of my Blackstar. 

    The track from the direct box needs the whole amp sim while the line out from the effects loop only needs a speaker cab emulation.

    The cool thing about doing this is I can seperate each track just a little bit for width and move one ahead and one behind the other by about 20ms. It sounds pretty cool.

    Another thing you can do is the track closest to center can be more bassy while the track on the outside more trebley. That will help widen a project as well.

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    Re:Running Guitar Rig 4 to a real amp? 2012/05/20 02:11:24 (permalink)
    Sorry Guitarpima... still parsing out your post. At first glance I think you are routing from the amp into the computer. I'm looking to route from the computer to the amp... like a rack effect. I'll re read it again tomorrow. My eyeballs and brain are too weary at the moment. Cheers.
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