Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player?

Author
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 18001
  • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
  • Status: offline
2012/05/26 18:35:14 (permalink)

Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player?

I'm about to disable my onboard sound as recommended pretty much everywhere but I want to use Media Player to listen to tunes (so I can get my ears adjusted to my new monitors). On top of that I want to use the balanced line outs on the i/o so I can use the 1/4" inputs on the monitors with my snake (gonna buy some proper shielded speaker cables next week) without having to fiddle with adapters and stuff or use the SPDIF connectors or whatever other half assed ghetto solutions I can dream up.
So...

a) Is this possible with WMP?

b) Is this a really bad idea?

c) Where would I find those settings?

d) Although I'd rather not introduce another program to the system, if it is absolutely necessary what, preferably free, music players should I look at?

e) Am I annoying you guys yet? :-p

Seriously though on my old system I had no problems using the onboard sound with Media Player for just listening to stuff and using the Layla 3G with Nuendo and Wavelab without disabling anything. I just didn't run the programs simultaneously. It's weird. As always any advice is welcome. Cheers.
#1

24 Replies Related Threads

    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 18:53:08 (permalink)
    You can't annoy anyone. Its not in your makeup.

    You can use it for anything you want. I don't recommend using a great audio interface for it but you can. Many do.

    I have my on-board realtech chip hooked up to its own set of speakers. It is the default for windows.

    You go to audio devices in the control panel and select it as your default audio device. Remember if its not on you wont hear anything. This means it and your good monitors will need to be on all the time when ever your computer is on.

    WMP uses what ever is the default audio device.

    Best
    John
    #2
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 19:00:58 (permalink)
    Cool, I'll check that out. Thanks, John... heh, and I've never been told I'm incapable of being annoying in my LIFE. I'm just on my absolute best behavior here. lol... I'll let you know how this works out... If I can actually get the damned monitors on the desk.
    #3
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 19:30:50 (permalink)
    So it seems the Layla is already the default in that menu but it's saying "analog out 1-8" so I'm not sure if I can just hook up to analog 1 and 2 and get a stereo signal from WMP. Might just have to get into the Layla mixer and set output to those channels if not (those are my outputs in sonar)... or perhaps it'll be weirder than that. I do see "digital out 1-2" but that's probably for the optical out or whatever so I don't think that's the right option. I also have some Realtek outputs listed. Interesting stuff anyway. I'll see what I can get happening tonight. One thing that would be REALLY cool IMO is if Cakewalk had a Winamp style player that could work with X1 or at least default to its settings so we could create libraries and stuff to playback without having to mess around with our set up. Maybe something like that already exists. If it does... I would be interested in plonking some dough for it.
    #4
    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 19:59:52 (permalink)
    WMP is a Winamp type player. LOL Or Winamp is a WMP type player.

    X1 has play lists that will let the user play projects one after another.

    CW has Pyro Read about it here. It might be what you are looking for.

    Best
    John
    #5
    Loptec
    Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 948
    • Joined: 2011/02/07 13:29:01
    • Location: Sweden
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 20:03:50 (permalink)

    where have you found these recommendations to disable the onboard audio device?
    ..you should of course have them disabled in sonar and in other audio editing software, but you don't need to disable it completely (in windows, i mean)

    a) Is this possible (to use i/o interface) with WMP? 
        yes, absolutely. (what audio interface do you have?)          

    b) Is this a really bad idea? 
        the thing is that you can get problems, for example if you start sonar and have
        WMP open at the same time. you can set sonar to share the drivers with other
        programs, but it's better to only let sonar (or any serius audio program) have
        access to your "real" audio interface, and let media-programs play around with,
        for example, the motherboard's onboard audio device.

        if you're still using  Layla 3G, you can let the onboard audio device playback
        through Layla by connecting the onboard output to, for example, Layla's line input 7-8.
        by doing this you can have WMP (windows default playback device) set to the onboard
         audio interface and still listen to it, via the monitors connected to Layla.

    c) Where would I find those settings?
        the settings for the default audio device in windows 7 (that WMP uses)
        you'll find if you right click the speaker in the status bar and choose "playback devices"

    d) Although I'd rather not introduce another program to the system, if it is absolutely necessary what, preferably free, music players should I look at?
        it's not MWP that's the problem, so you can keep it :)


    e) Am I annoying you guys yet? :-p
         you're not even close.. :)

    post edited by Loptec - 2012/05/26 20:39:18

    SAMUEL LIDSTRÖM

    DAW: Sonar Platinum (64bit) with Melodyne Studio - Controllers: Roland VS-700C, Cakewalk A-500 Pro, Yamaha P90
    Desktop Audio Interface: RME HDSPe RayDAT - Laptop Audio Interface: RME Babyface Pro

    #6
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 20:07:21 (permalink)
    Well lookit that, eh? Almost seems to be a cross between Wavelab and a regular media player. I'm gonna have to see if that came with my Production Suite (seems like something that should). If not I'd probably buy that... can't find a friggen' price on it though. Thanks, John.
    #7
    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 20:12:20 (permalink)
    Its on sale for $20.

    It very may have come with Pro Suite. Don't know though.

    Best
    John
    #8
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 20:13:19 (permalink)
    @loptec... thanks. That was really insightful. I especially like the idea of routing from the onboard sound to the Layla however if I'm just playing some tunes I'd shut down Sonar and vice/versa. It DID however make me contemplate my possible loopback capabilities for recording from other programs into Sonar (for sampling or whatever). So yeah... super helpful. Cheers!
    #9
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 20:15:23 (permalink)
    Oh yeah... 20 bones is nothin'. I'm gonna poke around and see if it was included in the Suite though before I start trying to rip stuff to WMP or buying Pyro. Have any of you guys used Pyro?
    #10
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 20:35:17 (permalink)
    Well I just checked and no... it does not seem Pyro was included in the Suite. That's a little annoying. I guess that'll be another twenty bucks. *shakes tiny fist*
    #11
    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 21:06:17 (permalink)
    Loptec your answer should be a sticky. Its that good!

    I wanted to add that stuff but I didn't want to confuse the situation any more than I already have. Nor could I have been as complete in trying to be that informative.

    Well done. I concur with every point you made.

    Best
    John
    #12
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 21:12:44 (permalink)
    Indeed. That was really awesome, loptec. Anyway... gonna see if I can get Pyro onto the machine. I friggen' hate Media Player anyway so this might be just what I've been yearning for all these years.
    #13
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 21:48:08 (permalink)
    Bah! It's gonna be a pain paying for the download. I think I'm just gonna work with WMP for now and see if my retailer has a boxed version of Pyro.
    #14
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 22:18:27 (permalink)
    Huh... because it is getting late I decided to just make sure I could get a WMP track playing through the Echo. I stuffed the jack of my cruddy computer speakers (not the monitors... I'll play with those tomorrow) into the headphone jack of the Layla which is how I was getting playback from Sonar. Lo and behold I got playback however I wanted to see what was going on (and the jazz track I was playing sounded kind of fuzzy but it might have just been the track or the speakers or whatever... just wanted to check levels for any clipping or other weirdness. Other tracks did not buzz like that though so it was probably just a sizzle or snare sound messing with my ears). Sooo I opened the Echo console and saw it was indeed playing back through 1/2. However when I went over to settings it said it was set to Surround Sound and I was just playing a stereo track. So I clicked the Stereo button just below the Surround Sound button (which stopped WMP... whoops) and when I clicked play again... no sound. So I started checking all the tracks in the Echo console. 7/8 were outputting the signals but I could not hear them nor could I see any easily available option to route those signals to 1-2. I just switched back to the Surround Sound for now but I'd like to figure that shiz out. Freaky.
    #15
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 22:19:33 (permalink)
    Oh and I'm sure if I just crammed the monitors into 7/8 I'd get signal... just a weird thingy.
    #16
    mudgel
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 12010
    • Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
    • Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/26 23:39:21 (permalink)
    One significant problem that occurs when using your sound card with Windows sounds is it gets locked to either MME or WDM driver mode at 44.1/16 bit as Windows sounds use the basic CD standard.

    I always leave my on oars card active and allow Windows, consequently WMP to use it thus acting as a kind of decoy leaving my DAW software free to stay in ASIO driver mode and not be interrupted by Windows issues.

    Of course like many things it's not an absolute and you can basically do what you want if it works. There is however what people can do and what you should do from a 'best practice' perspective.

    Just experiment with the many options you have.

    Mike V. (MUDGEL)

    STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64,
    PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz.
    Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2.
    Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub.
    Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX.
    Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor.
    Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
    #17
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 00:26:02 (permalink)
    Hi, mudgel. How are ya? I'll check the driver/bit/samplerate stuff next time I open X1 to make sure nothing wacky happened. Thanks for bringing it up. Also once I get the new i/o and make sure everything is working properly for what this system was built for (recording with X1) I'll take a look at maybe getting back to my old set up of listening to tunes through the onboard (it really did work flawlessly on the old system). This does seem to be working rather well as it is though. I probably shouldn't be hunched over the computer for much longer (don't want to twist my body up again) so I'll spare the gory details until tomorrow but I've got a few very hi-fi/noisy CDs ripped into the library to bash in the new monitors. Still wanna toss a few other reference albums in there but today has been a success IMO. Optimization done, WMP playing through the Echo, digital reference library started, cleared an easy access storage space for my monitors when they are not in use (if you saw my workspace you would understand) and I have my entire CD collection out so I can load this puppy up with reference tunes (I'm realizing I have a lack of super low frequency type music but I have everything else from mid-low to high-highs). Yes... today was much better than yesterday. I try not to swear on this forum because it isn't very professional but F**K yesterday!
    #18
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 00:27:49 (permalink)
    Oh... and the optimization has made the system lightening fast. Awesome!
    #19
    mudgel
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 12010
    • Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
    • Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 01:43:16 (permalink)
    Good on ya!

    Mike V. (MUDGEL)

    STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64,
    PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz.
    Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2.
    Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub.
    Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX.
    Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor.
    Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
    #20
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 01:46:47 (permalink)
    :-)
    #21
    Loptec
    Max Output Level: -72 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 948
    • Joined: 2011/02/07 13:29:01
    • Location: Sweden
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 05:37:46 (permalink)

    John

    Loptec your answer should be a sticky. Its that good! 

    I wanted to add that stuff but I didn't want to confuse the
    situation any more than I already have. Nor could I have been
    as complete in trying to be that informative. 

    Well done. I concur with every point you made. 


    Wow! Thanks, man! I really appreciate it! =)


    mudgel

    I always leave my on oars card active and allow Windows, consequently
    WMP to use it thus acting as a kind of decoy leaving my DAW software
    free to stay in ASIO driver mode and not be interrupted by Windows issues.

    yeah, for sure! ASIO's the way to go, for exactly this reason and also
    because it (for me anyway) always has been the most stable and reliable driver
    protocol available , since it was introduced! :)

    SAMUEL LIDSTRÖM

    DAW: Sonar Platinum (64bit) with Melodyne Studio - Controllers: Roland VS-700C, Cakewalk A-500 Pro, Yamaha P90
    Desktop Audio Interface: RME HDSPe RayDAT - Laptop Audio Interface: RME Babyface Pro

    #22
    Lanceindastudio
    Max Output Level: -29 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 4604
    • Joined: 2004/01/22 02:28:30
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 06:51:52 (permalink)
    On my Gina 3g, output 1 and 2 is for SONAR, and output 5 and 6 is for windows/WMP-

    I have output driver for 5 and 6 disable in Sonar, no conflict, can play WMP and sonar simultaneously.

    Lance

    Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS Motherboard   
    i7 3770k CPU
    32 gigs RAM
    Presonus AudioBox iTwo
    Windows 10 64 bit, SONAR PLATINUM 64 bit
    Lots of plugins and softsynths and one shot samples, loops
    Gauge ECM-87, MCA SP-1, Alesis AM51
    Presonus Eureka
    Mackie HR824's and matching subwoofer
    #23
    mudgel
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 12010
    • Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
    • Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 07:50:55 (permalink)
    Lance:
    You must be using WDM driver mode. Windows wont use ASIO driver mode

    Mike V. (MUDGEL)

    STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64,
    PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz.
    Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2.
    Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub.
    Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX.
    Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor.
    Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
    #24
    Beepster
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 18001
    • Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
    • Status: offline
    Re:Another dumb question. Can I use my i/o interface with Win Media Player? 2012/05/27 15:24:37 (permalink)
    I just find it odd that the Layla a) seems to want to force stereo surround and b) when pushed to use actual stereo force it to 7/8. Doesn't matter though. This box is going back into it's original home on the old Nuendo system. And to day is the day I set up my reference monitors. WOO!
    #25
    Jump to:
    © 2026 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1