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How do you export WAV files with markers?
I have a number of long live sets that I want to export from SONAR to WaveLab to burn as CDs, but I can't find a way to export the file(s) with the markers in place. I've done this sort of thing before. I've marked up a file with iZotope RX, which saves the markers as meta data in the resulting WAV file...and WaveLab sees them all...but I can't see how to get this done in SONAR. Anyone?
post edited by dantarbill - 2012/05/27 10:30:40
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Re:Exporting WAV with markers
2012/05/26 19:34:44
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Preferences->File-> Audio Data->Export Broadcast Wav files by default.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 19:51:11
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Preferences->File-> Audio Data->Export Broadcast Wav files by default.
Rocky
I just tried it. It doesn't manage to bring the markers in with it.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 19:54:20
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dantarbill
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 20:09:15
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Beepster
Supposedly what you are describing is somewhat out of Sonar's grasp (annoying I know). Check out this thread for some work arounds... http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2576584&mpage=1#2577162
The workarounds seem just as hard (or harder) than just toggling back and forth between SONAR and WaveLab and creating new markers. I find this to be dissatisfying.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 20:20:08
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Oh... just use Wavelab then, man. Really. You toss the file in, create your markers, load up the track info, bingo bango boombo, it's done. That's how I used to do it when I used Nuendo.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 20:21:22
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And sorry... I didn't see you had Wavelab. That's the way to go for this type of thing. Don't bother trying to do it in Sonar.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 21:24:53
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And sorry... I didn't see you had Wavelab. That's the way to go for this type of thing. Don't bother trying to do it in Sonar.
My hope was to not have to redo stuff in WaveLab that had already been done in SONAR.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 21:32:16
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But you don't. Just export the whole finished/mixed project to 24 or 16 bit or whatever, open the file with Wavelab, set your markers, enter the track details for each and export to 16 bit or MP3 or whatever from there. Should be fine. I haven't used Wavelab for MANY versions but I can only imagine it has gotten more useful over the years... not less. I may be completely misinterpreting the question though. I have a million things bouncing around in my little noodle at the moment so if I have my apologies. Good luck.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 21:46:57
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But you don't. Just export the whole finished/mixed project to 24 or 16 bit or whatever, open the file with Wavelab, set your markers, enter the track details for each and export to 16 bit or MP3 or whatever from there. Should be fine. I haven't used Wavelab for MANY versions but I can only imagine it has gotten more useful over the years... not less. I may be completely misinterpreting the question though. I have a million things bouncing around in my little noodle at the moment so if I have my apologies. Good luck.
...it was the "set your markers" step that I wanted to avoid. True...I'd also have the step of throwing away a pile of markers that I didn't want, but at least I'd get the ones I wanted (hopefully with the marker text, that could be turned into track names) already in place. On the quick and dirty live recordings I usually do, I'm only working with a stereo wav file. I decided to be "really fancy" this time...and record multi-track. I get better results, but the cost to get those results is a lot higher. Having to reinsert markers was a last slap in the face that I could have really done without.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 21:55:29
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Shouldn't be so bad. Just make a note of where your markers are on the timeline in the Sonar project and punch them back into the Wavelab file. I doubt they'd be far off if at all. Maybe there is even an export time markers feature too... but I have no idea about that. Good luck.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 23:29:00
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Unfortunately wav files don't contain marker information. It's not part of the standard.
Even in program's like Sound Forge any additional info is held in the sfk file along with the wav image and other non destructive edit details.
Ostensibly a wav file is raw data plus a header that may or may not contain information like time stamps. Even then that only applies to Broadcast wav files.
Files like flac and mp3 do however contain a range of metadata but markers are not catered for in any raw audio data file that I'm aware of.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/26 23:32:48
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I forgot to add;
That's why audio programs create their own native file format in which they store data like markers etc.
As I said wav files are audio only
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/27 01:19:03
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Yes! Wave format cannot contain extraneous matter like markers or other non audio data. Markers are a feature of the application, not the audio format. So... they cannot be exported within a .wav file. Sorry! It'd be cool if there was an industry "standard" format file that could include such additions. Such files usually use compression though and loose some level of quality. Steve
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/27 10:12:18
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soens
Yes! Wave format cannot contain extraneous matter like markers or other non audio data.
Markers are a feature of the application, not the audio format. So... they cannot be exported within a .wav file.
Sorry!
It'd be cool if there was an industry "standard" format file that could include such additions.
Such files usually use compression though and loose some level of quality.
Steve
Having had to write wav header parsers, I'll have to say that this is incorrect. The wav format has support for all kinds of stuff...even data compression. There are "cue" and "labl" (label) chunks for marking offsets into the sample data. The fact that WaveLab can read the markers inserted by iZotope RX, with no ancillary files is evidence of that. See... http://www.sonicspot.com/guide/wavefiles.html Note that, while it is true that WaveLab keeps its own markers in a separate .gpk file...that doesn't keep it from recognizing markers that are native to the wav file.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/27 10:38:55
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It doesn't matter what a wave file can contain it only matters what a given program will read.
The markers in Sonar are project only data. They do not transfer to the wave file upon export.
So X1 doesn't add markers to the wave data nor will Wavelab read that data if it were there.
When I have a long session with many songs in the single project I split the the tracks at each song's beginning and give a bit of space by moving the tracks over a little. This gives me a point I can see in a transfer of an exported wav file I can use these gaps as points to separate out the various songs. I simply look for the gaps. Normally you don't need to move the tracks because between songs there is often a space that can be cut out.
This works in any wave editor that displays the wave picture.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/27 10:45:38
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John
It doesn't matter what a wave file can contain it only matters what a given program will read.
The markers in Sonar are project only data. They do not transfer to the wave file upon export.
So X1 doesn't add markers to the wave data nor will Wavelab read that data if it were there.
When I have a long session with many songs in the single project I split the the tracks at each song's beginning and give a bit of space by moving the tracks over a little. This gives me a point I can see in a transfer of an exported wav file I can use these gaps as points to separate out the various songs. I simply look for the gaps.
This works in any wave editor that displays the wave picture.
> So X1 doesn't add markers to the wave data... ...not until explicit support is added for such a feature. >...nor will Wavelab read that data if it were there. This is not true...because...as I've already pointed out (and experienced myself), WaveLab will read markers left in the WAV file by iZotope RX.
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Re:How do you export WAV files with markers?
2012/05/27 10:55:58
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John
It doesn't matter what a wave file can contain it only matters what a given program will read.
The markers in Sonar are project only data. They do not transfer to the wave file upon export.
So X1 doesn't add markers to the wave data nor will Wavelab read that data if it were there.
When I have a long session with many songs in the single project I split the the tracks at each song's beginning and give a bit of space by moving the tracks over a little. This gives me a point I can see in a transfer of an exported wav file I can use these gaps as points to separate out the various songs. I simply look for the gaps.
This works in any wave editor that displays the wave picture.
> So X1 doesn't add markers to the wave data...
...not until explicit support is added for such a feature.
>...nor will Wavelab read that data if it were there.
This is not true...because...as I've already pointed out (and experienced myself), WaveLab will read markers left in the WAV file by iZotope RX.
Perhaps so but X1 doesn't. I outlined a way to have your wave file show the start and end of a song and it works.
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