Mully
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Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
So, here's a coupla goodies... 1. Tonight I'm mixing a track. As part of the prep-process I start UN-assigning the inputs from the 700R thinking happily to myself that it's great they fixed the 700C so you can now select 'NONE' from the surface....ahh, at last. So anyway, I get to about the 6th track and whaddya know, Sonar locks up! Are you serious...? Error log tells me Sonar has stopped communicating with Windows. Awesome news... so I switched it all off and walked away for the night. Poop. 2. Last night I'm happily mixing and happened to press ACT to see if it was worth the effort of using the surface to drive a plug in. The answer was no coz it sure does take some navigating sometimes if you don't customise it and as an added bonus, the EQ control of the channel was subsequently lost. Thank you so much, not sure why Sonar thought I needed this un-feature. 3. On an unrelated to the 700 range issues, I've noticed that 64 bit plug ins can add a bit of audible glitchiness...what a bonus this one is. I thought this was a thing of the past but it sure likes to revisit it seems. Loverly... Summary.... I'm sincerely stunned to be thinking that I'm missing the stability and reliability of the 8.5 days... whattha...? The next thing is obviously to uninstall and reinstall everything and wonder at the same time if I'm just putting up with the pain nowadays coz we all know what a major PITA this process is, plus it is not a quick process. Thanks for listening, it's taken me a while to come back to Sonar world and it's started off bumpy... <insert sad face>...slighty disappointed maybe and looks like a massive reinstall is pending and if it doesn't resolve this stuff, it must sadly be time to consider options? Don't like that thought but the desire for a proper integration that doesn't interrupt workflow is overpowering now. Without tight and reliable surface integration, I will be reluctantly jumping off the good ship Sonar. What are other peoples thoughts on this? Just wanna make tunes.....  Cheers all... and hope your experience is a lot better.
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Mully
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/06/19 09:05:20
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So does anyone else see the issue where you select a channel and adjust Pro Channel eq setting on the 700C but get no real adjustments etc when you adjust knobs on the 700C? The 700C adjusts it's displayed number(s) for the parameter being adjusted no problem but it does not interface with the software? Cheers.
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Dyonight
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/06/23 12:30:29
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Hi Mully,
Yeah been there and also experienced the blank display on the console while switching through prochannels bus/tracks. I've rebooted Sonar, I/o and console and they came back. Can't reproduce it yet but it's surely a constant behaviour.
Don't konw what to say now...
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Mully
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/02 04:15:13
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Hey thanks Dyo for the input... gotta say this stuff is making me consider which way to jump for the future. Right now I'm hopeful they will not leave the VS behind but if they do, I'm thinking about what will be the next best hardware/software option. Fingers crossed eh? Cheers!
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/03 05:54:10
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Hu Mully, if it's the same bug I've seen, then it *does* interface with the software, but it's changing the settings of a different track. Which is a nightmare for obvious reasons.
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/03 14:59:16
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If seen this bug too, I think. Always blamed myself though. Is it reported yet?
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Dyonight
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/05 01:02:57
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Reported 2 times from me, annoying responsiveness and problems with prochannel tracking the right channel or bus. Is it me or the lag trouble is new with x1d? Is it a new feature? Ok not funny...
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/05 06:23:38
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I notice lag when switching from Tracks to Buses and vice versa since the latest update. I got used to it, but I think they can do better. And I want to FINALLY be able to use Instrument Tracks properly.
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Mully
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/06 06:56:30
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Thanks for the input guys.... gotta admit some frustration about having the dedicated surface that simply isn't that dedicated anymore. What are you all you fellow V-Studio users thinking? Hoping they sort things out or looking at other options? Cheers.
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Dyonight
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/09 02:03:55
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mmmm... can't say I did not looked at other offering... I've looked at SSL matrix and nucleus and it is pricey with no or very limited audio interface. So incredibly pricey option. So far, the only thing I've found interesting beside Yamaha 02r and Tascam DM line is the Allen&Heath GS-R24M. The moving faders are a must, some basic transport, the pres and the eqs look top notch and the prochannel could always been took care of by a midi keyboard controller, or the unholy mouse. I'm not shure I would like to mess with the recall aspect of a analog console though... not after having used the vs system. Honnestly, I've lost any hope of any update and even if Roland come with a dream product I'll be very reluctant to jump in, seeing what they've done with the vs-700 and even with the Fantom G. Brandon and Seth hardly use it in their webinar, imagine when there's no camera so they don't have to "show"it. That says a lot. On the roland clan forum concernig the almighty G, users are asking for some software update since forever that will obviously never come... Roland seem to let their flagships sink completely after two years, with one or two updates max. The Jupiter 80 must be close to it's end now, already one update out. So, whatever they do, it better be perfect upon release or you'll have to deal with it the way it is. Not sure I like this. My wallet don't for sure. Too bad I still can't hate the vs, I could get rid of it otherwise;)
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Mully
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/10 07:55:51
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Oh oh... I'm thinking my last night reply to you Dyo has been 'deleted' by higher powers...? Odd.. Anyways, the essence of it related to a few things such as agreeing totally about moving faders and transport control. One other point was that the recent review of Windows 8 involved a MOTU device which would appear to spell the end of the 700R at least in Cake world? If Cake don't use it, why are we? Anyways, will see if this post disappears and hope it was just a 'blip'.  Cheers.
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/11 06:31:21
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I just noticed that the General SOLO Button does not light up, when a BUS is solo'd. Is it supposed that way? Has it always been this way? You think it's a bug?
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/11 18:46:15
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Grent
I just noticed that the General SOLO Button does not light up, when a BUS is solo'd. Is it supposed that way? Has it always been this way? You think it's a bug?
How would you solo a buss? A buss depends on the tracks feeding it. If you solo a buss, you need to solo the tracks associated with it also.
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/12 06:50:48
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How? By simply pressing the Solo-button on the Bus? At least in Sonar X1 I can easily solo a BUS. I guess everything else is taken care of by the system. Example1: I route all my strings to a BUS and then SOLO that specific BUS. I get to hear the strings only. Example2: Each string gets a SEND to the same BUS, that BUS has reverb inserted. I solo that specific BUS and get to only hear the reverbation of the strings. We might not talk about the same thing.
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Crg
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/12 19:40:32
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Grent
I just noticed that the General SOLO Button does not light up, when a BUS is solo'd. Is it supposed that way? Has it always been this way? You think it's a bug?
What happens when you press the General Solo Button? When nothing is soloed? When something is Soloed?
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/16 15:57:10
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You're right. The general buttons do only affect the Tracks mode, not the BUS mode, even when pressed while in BUS mode.
It's probably always been this way. And it makes sense.
So false alarm on this one.
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Mully
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/17 05:36:59
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/21 11:03:03
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Ok, I got something. Please tell me, if you experience it too and whether it's disturbing or not: 1) Upon changing a channel, the setting for the EQ-Button always reverts to "Compressor" (probably the first item in your Pro-Channel respectively). That's not that big of a deal, however I'm sure it would be far more convenient, if the setting for the EQ-Button was remembered throughout changing tracks. 2) Upon clicking on any open windows (VSTi e.g.) the same happens - the setting for the EQ-Button reverts to "Compressor", even though you did not even change the channel. 3) When the EQ-Button is lid (no matter what mode it is in) and you doubleclick on a VSTi on the Synth-Rack, the ACT-values are shown on the channel strip control screen. However the ACT-Button does not light up - the EQ-Button stays lid instead. 4) When the SEND-Button is lid and you doubleclick on a VSTi on the Synth-Rack, the ACT-values are NOT shown on the channel strip control screen (which now is blank) AND the ACT-Button does not light up - the SEND-Button stays lid instead. AND: now pressing the ACT button does not reveal the ACT-values either - you in addition have to press one of the PAGE-Buttons, to get to the ACT-values. These seem to be minor bugs on their own, but as a whole they add up to the confusion that (especially when on a roll) you don't know, which parameter you're just editing with the channel strip control knobs and buttons. Because the lights don't always add up, or you are actually changing values for a different track, as Mully, Dyonight and John T explained a few postings above. The Pro-Channel kind of broke the VS-700 channel strip control.
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/07/21 15:20:33
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Just discovered another thing:
5) When you edit a BUS via the Channel Strip Control, and then hit the Track-Button (to view Tracks), the Channel Strip Control still controls that BUS, even though you have a properly selected Track in front of your eyes on the console.
So, upon switching between BUS and TRACK view, the Channel Strip Control does not switch accordingly - and I think it definitely should!
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/09/27 11:01:01
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With the new enhanced prochannel on X2: does switching tracks still revert the channel strip control focus to the first prochannel module on top? (I think ideally it should only do that, when the module selected does not exist on the target track.) I would like to be able to select EQ on the console and than switch through the tracks and always control the EQ-module. Right know I always have to press EQ for each track again and again. Regarding bugs 1)-4): I hope they get resolved, when the now broken channel strip is fixed http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2672481
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Grent
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Re:Things that make you say "Noooooooo....."
2012/12/10 07:45:10
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Found another bug (on X1, please check on X2 and - if still to be found - post the bug on Ryan's X2 "Where we are at"-Thread and file a bug-report (I would, but I do not own X2 yet and that thread was asked to be for X2 only): When automating the Pro-Channel EQ, the lights on the channel-strip-control won't light up. E.g. I automated the EQ-on/off-switch. But upon replay (although the automation works) the EQ-on/off-button will not light up accordingly. ALSO the LED-display won't update accordingly either.
post edited by Grent - 2012/12/10 07:49:27
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