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A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
Studio One seems to be a lot of artists favorite DAW nowadays along with FL Studio. If I add this to my arsenal, will it increase my workflow and perhaps even get me to use it as my main DAW? What are some pros and cons of Studio One? Is it really easier to learn and use than X1? Why haven't X1'rs abandon ship and sail with Studio One? Anyone using Studio One alongside X1? Would this pairing, make for a great Dynamic Duo? Anyone considering using Studio One over X1? And if so, what are your reasons?
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 15:46:59
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Which artists ?
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 16:14:19
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syntheticpop
Why haven't X1'rs abandon ship and sail with Studio One?
That's exactly what I did. I just never posted the typical 'I'm gone, X1 sucks' goodbye thread, mainly because I don't believe it sucks. I think it has compatibility and stability problems, but no, it doesn't suck. And I'm still waiting to see what happens with the next patch, or what kind of deal I'm offered for the next upgrade. At that point I'll see how they approach the problems X1 has had up till this point and see how they claim to have addressed them at the time of the next upgrade. You can only be told your computer is a piece of crap so long before you get to the point of troubleshooting where you try the demo of something else. And low and behold, when that something else works near flawlessly, you start asking yourself, why am I torturing myself with this other software that just doesn't seem to play nice with me? I'm not even going to blame it on Sonar, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it could be some unresolvable anomaly on my pc. Unfortunately for Cakewalk, the solution ended up being that I move on rather than dump out another 3 grand on another pc and audio interface in hopes their software may work with it. I still have projects I'm finishing in X1, and I still like opening up my old completed projects and tinkering with the mixes from time to time, but anything new I'm working on will be S1. At some point I had to stop worrying about crashes and workarounds and actually make some music ... so that's what I did.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 16:27:51
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Now that I'm not tied to my Tascam FW-1884 for audio* (it's just a control surface now. My RME Fireface UFX is my audio interface) I would love to spend 3 or 4 highly complex projects each in S1/2 and the otheReaper DAW too. I own the current versions of both.
However, unlike BUb, nothing is driving me there as everything I need X1 to do works.
*FYI, the other DAWs did not support the FW-1884 as an audio device very well if not at all.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 16:33:15
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This is the only Dynamic Duo that I'm aware of… 
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 16:36:58
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"What are some pros and cons of Studio One??" "... a lot of artists favorite DAW nowadays along with FL Studio..."
Are you serious? You write as if you didn't know this the SONAR forum.
That's somewhat synthetic...
I'm sure Studio One is quite a good DAW, but still your post seems quite odd to me to put it mildly.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 16:51:37
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can any studio oners tell me what the benifts are?
is there more contorls,like hows the autosnap?
or is there a vocal,like v vocal?
and how are their plug ins compared to things like the vocal strip 64.perccusion strip 64?
just by watching a few videos i didnt really see the advantages,although some claim better stability,thats not really an issue with me.but that aside,
what is better?
just honest questions,no trolling from here.
thanks
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 17:22:18
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chuckebaby
can any studio oners tell me what the benifts are?
is there more contorls,like hows the autosnap?
or is there a vocal,like v vocal?
and how are their plug ins compared to things like the vocal strip 64.perccusion strip 64?
just by watching a few videos i didnt really see the advantages,although some claim better stability,thats not really an issue with me.but that aside,
what is better?
just honest questions,no trolling from here.
thanks
You can download a demo and try it out. I did last week (when Sonar peed me off by crashing once too often) but the evening I spent playing with it just showed me that I like working with Sonar. I think Sonar got wind of the demo and decided to stop messing me about as it hasn't crashed since. Maybe I've found the cure....I could be famous  . Grum.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 17:38:10
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joakes
Which artists ?
Cheers,
Jerry
Here's a list on their web site ( Click Here) there's more out there if you look. Some well know, some not so well known. Just like Cakewalk, FL, Reaper, and every other DAW out there.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 18:14:03
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Well, for me, the only thing desired by Studio One is the ARA Melodyne thingy. That would be awesome. But there's no way I'll move to Studio One at all. To me, Sonar is 100% stable. IF I have a crash it is usually just a VST screwing up or me being stupid so I can't blame Sonar for that. FL Studio - well, it's a different beast. I like it a lot but I have no use for it. Not saying that eihter the DAWs mentioned here are bad - In my honest opinnion, all DAWs are great. I work professionally in Nuendo, I know it inside out but I would never use it if I didn't have to. And I've never even considered any Steinberg DAWs over Sonar in my own business. Not because it's bad - well, Nuendo 5 is still seriously bug fueled - but because I simply don't like working in them. There nothing more to it. Same goes for Studio One, Logic, Reaper, Pro Tools. Some functions would be cool to see in Sonar, like ARA or Nuendo's fantastic Keyboard Shortcut function, but I don't feel that Sonar restricts me in any way so why change BTW, I use Live as well and combined with Sonar, I already have a dynamic duo
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/28 20:46:44
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I have both Sonar X1 and Studio One V2 - and Sonar is fatter! (Just joking.)
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 01:46:53
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I recently bought Studio One, and I was starting to use it in stead of Sonar X1. But then I required the services of Danny for a mix, so i transferred the project to Sonar X1. And immediately found that the PC is a real asset.
Now I use Studio One mainly for three things:
- Correcting timing, Audio Bend seems so much more intuitive then Audio Snap
- Correcting pitch, Melodyne integration is really a great thing to have
- Mastering, I like the project page a lot for my workflow
But Sonar X1 is still my main tool for the actual mixing.
And with a bit of planning, I only have to move the tracks back and forth, once or twice.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 04:32:07
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I use many DAWS.
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Sound Forge 10 Pro
I stick mostly to SONAR and Studio One but with every update S1 is getting closer to having all my attention.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 05:44:45
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Hmmm... I tried Studio One, and while it has it's nice touches, it did not exited me that much.. Sure -like I said- it has some nice bells and all that stuff, but nothing really standing out in comparisation with other DAW's. To be honest - In my opinion Cubase 6.5 is better than Studio One (if you really insist to compare other DAW's) Don't I use another DAW besides Sonar X1? Sure I do... but only as a kind of "add-on" to X1. I am using Ableton Live (and sometimes Project 5 v2.5) as an addition to X1, because I think the matrix is not sufficient to met my needs. For creating and editing (especially MIDI editing) clips X1 is still behind Ableton Live in my opinion. However - X1 beats Ableton in things like recording, mixing and mastering. For me the combination Live 8, Sonar X1 (and sometimes Project 5) and Audacity (as sound wave editor) covers about 99% of the work I do.. And about "a lot of other artist's using Studio One"? Why should I care about that? I want to use something that works for ME, and I do not care what has be said to work for other people. Sure - I will accept advise, but judging something by the "a lot of others use it" criteria is something I have left behind a long time ago. That saved me a lot of money Anyway - I think Sonar X1 is stable enough and offers good enough all-round elements. I have no need for Studio One (that would be a kind of replacement is stead of a add-on like Live).
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 06:41:41
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"Now I use Studio One mainly for three things... - Mastering, I like the project page a lot for my workflow" What I like most is that Studio One Pro can export your master as a DDP image (with ISRC codes). You can transfer that file straight to CD factories and all the fuss with burning and sending an errorless physical master disk is avoided.
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Sylvan
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 10:23:09
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I took a job in July-August that requires me to learn, use, and teach Presonus Studio One. I recieved the voucher for the full version and I installed it so I can prepare for this summer job...
Now more than ever I can see that the differences from DAW to DAW are in the feel of the app. What tools are available and where are they located, the overall "style" in the GUI and layout, etc...
The sound qualities are pretty much the same across the board.
Personally, I really dislike having to learn Studio One. It is a decent DAW of course, every DAW is decent and functions well. If they didn't, they would be out of business. But man, when I come back to SONAR X1, it feels like home. Comfortable, familiar, and absolutely fantastic!
I tried Reaper 4 as well. Way back in the day I was working with Cubase 4sx. And I even tracked in Pro Tools 8 once.
For me personally based on "style" and "feel" (because sound quality is on par across them all), I would rate as follows...
1. SONAR X1
2. Reaper 4
3. Studio One
4. Cubase
5. Pro Tools
Thats just me. Everyone will have different needs or whatever. Just sharing one mans opinion. And by the way, I work in a DAW everday and I depend on the income I make from it. It is not my main income, but it is a supplementary income that is neccesary to pay the bills, feed the kids, buy gasoline, etc...
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 10:38:34
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It's funny, Studio 1 is something I would not mind checking out, but it is short in features and makes it a total non-starter for me.
The ironic part is there is no staff view or scoring to picture (things everyone claims are major Sonar short comings.) I can't even consider a DAW without those. I really think Cake is making a mistake by not upgrading these areas.
I hope the bakers notice this...
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 10:41:02
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That is exactly why I picked up studio one 2. In the end I missed X1 because I could not be arsed with another learning curve. After multiple failed audio interfaces, I picked up a Roland quad capture since it's the same company. I'm happier but the gremlins are still there in X1. You can only be told your computer is a piece of crap so long before you get to the point of troubleshooting where you try the demo of something else. And low and behold, when that something else works near flawlessly, you start asking yourself, why am I torturing myself with this other software that just doesn't seem to play nice with me? I'm not even going to blame it on Sonar, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it could be some unresolvable anomaly on my pc. Unfortunately for Cakewalk, the solution ended up being that I move on rather than dump out another 3 grand on another pc and audio interface in hopes their software may work with it. Bub
syntheticpop
Why haven't X1'rs abandon ship and sail with Studio One?
That's exactly what I did. I just never posted the typical 'I'm gone, X1 sucks' goodbye thread, mainly because I don't believe it sucks. I think it has compatibility and stability problems, but no, it doesn't suck. And I'm still waiting to see what happens with the next patch, or what kind of deal I'm offered for the next upgrade. At that point I'll see how they approach the problems X1 has had up till this point and see how they claim to have addressed them at the time of the next upgrade.
You can only be told your computer is a piece of crap so long before you get to the point of troubleshooting where you try the demo of something else. And low and behold, when that something else works near flawlessly, you start asking yourself, why am I torturing myself with this other software that just doesn't seem to play nice with me? I'm not even going to blame it on Sonar, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it could be some unresolvable anomaly on my pc. Unfortunately for Cakewalk, the solution ended up being that I move on rather than dump out another 3 grand on another pc and audio interface in hopes their software may work with it.
I still have projects I'm finishing in X1, and I still like opening up my old completed projects and tinkering with the mixes from time to time, but anything new I'm working on will be S1.
At some point I had to stop worrying about crashes and workarounds and actually make some music ... so that's what I did.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 10:56:53
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i'm using s1 more than x1, as it crashes (a lot) less (indeed, never for me), and i'm currently trying to find some reason to install x1 on my new x64 system...
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syntheticpop
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 19:55:21
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The Crossgrade is $299 for the Professional edition - not a bad price if you ask me. If it can do some things and some things better than X1 then it's worth the plunge. Not looking at it as a X1 replacement but as a extra tool set to use with what I'm already comfortable with. Sylvan, thanks for chiming in - I'll take what you mentioned into consideration. Perhaps all I need is a good pitch correction program to match Studio Ones and a mastering suite if I don't prefer X1's. As for the audio snap, lets hope there will be some improvements in the next major update or upgrade.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 20:12:25
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After using Reaper for 3 years I bought S1 and X1 both last year. $600 combined dollars later S1 is the clear winner. The only reason X1 is still installed on my computer is to satisfy some strange buyers guilt that I have. It's a shame actually, if X1 were simply even slightly stable I'd use it daily.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/29 21:51:32
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I respect Bubs decision. If I had issues I probably would look around. But I don't-S it's been said a million times-I gues your workflow\process\how you do stuff has a lot to do with the issues some have.
I did buy the Studio one "no brainer" deal for $20 a while back. Like reaper, for me it was , well not for me.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 12:08:02
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I've pretty much moved to S1 V2 because for what I do it's just better. However Sonar X1 has some clear advantages when it comes to MCU Control Surface support. S1 has horrible support for the MCU Pro. Sonar X1 has excellent support for the MCU.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 12:16:39
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S1's audio quantize kicks Sonars audio snap to the curb and then makes it wimper and cower for twenty or thirty minutes. The mastering section is something Sonar should adopt as well. But ol X1d is a pretty good ol gal. Yea, she's a tough ol hide but she gets up ever mornin, get's behind the mule and plows.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 12:20:39
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I use Studio One with Sonar 8.5.3, both are great DAWs in my opinion, great tools from both.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 12:35:26
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Only the bakers seem to fear people owning more than one DAW and talking about it. There's nothing wrong with it and it's no threat to the coffers. Studio One is solid and you can learn it in a few days without frustration.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 13:27:31
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I use S1 v2 for all my pitch correction/manipulation - the ARA integration with Melodyne (Editor in my case) is great. I can't see myself ever using it again as a plugin.
As fas as S1 being intutive... it's been a mixed bag for me. I found S1's audio quantize/Bend markers much easier to grasp than AudioSnap, even though I've used AudioSnap longer. But other basics like getting a time selection to loop were fairly unintuitive for me, so I had to break out the manual... and still did not locate the topic all that easily. Or, while S1's browser is easy to use yet more powerful overall than X1's, editing MIDI in S1 is a step backward from X1, for me. Funny how these things work...
I think both apps have a bright future and I like it like that. I am so looking forward to seeing what the next releases bring to the table. Good times.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 14:32:05
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I own a Presonus 16:4:2 mixer which is also my interface. When I do live show recordings (recorded onto capture which is their light weight dedicated recording software), I typically mix it down on Studio One Artist which can read the captured session directly, and I am not doing a whole lot of processing. Sometimes I can mix the tracks down using the Studiolive.
When I am creating and recording music, it is Sonar all the way. I find the MIDI more intuitive, I've build up a nice collection of synths and sampler over the years, love Perfect Space and the Pantheon, and since getting the the Expanded PC Plugins, find myself using the channel FX bins less and less. I will often just send all the midi stuff to TTS-1 while working on ideas, and then re-instrument parts and replace guitars and bass with live instruments. For me it just works.
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Re:A Dynamic Duo? Sonar X1 and Studio One 2.0
2012/05/30 16:10:44
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I tried Studio One for about a week but they didn't support my Alphatrack controller at all. I was interested mainly in the ARA implementation with Melodyne. I ended up uninstalling the demo and buying Melodyne outright. The actual program features of S1 didn't make my socks run up and down my legs at all. I don't compose at the DAW with layered tracks. Not my thing. I will agree that their version of Audiosnap was implemented better. I still think that Reaper 4 is better than SONAR in most ways for non-midi recordists but I mainly use SONAR X1d Expanded. I'm seriously looking at Pro Tools native because I think it has a definite advantage in name recognition.
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