"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please

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2012/05/28 19:52:26 (permalink)

"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please

Hi Folks,
Working a Neil Young cover ("Helpless") with a female coworker.  Here's what we have so far.  I think the solo in the middle is a weak spot (we tried to 'ham and egg' it with dobro and electric trading licks).  But I've heard this too many times to have an objective ear, and I'm not sure how to improve it.  My buddy and I do all the parts so we're stuck with the talent you hear, ie, amateur hour...LOL.  I'd love some feedback to continue to hone in on this one - on arragment, mix, or both.  Thanks for your time...i know it's a bit lengthy.
 
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    thomas1234567890
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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/28 21:47:25 (permalink)
    hey wicker1000, ok i listened to whole thing twice and this is my official opionion; if it was me, i would resume the vocals after the solo at 3:05 instead of 3:40. so i would cut out the acoustic sliding part--BUT ..im not saying the acoustic solo is no good or anything its awesome, im just saying i would shorten the shole solo section.. idk, i mean if u think its a little weak (which i dont btw) then maybe it just needs trimming?? but u said its a cover , so i dont know if its like the original or not... also i listened to amazing grace --sounds great. i hope this helps any
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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/28 22:13:18 (permalink)
    Hey wicker1000,

    The vocal (i.e pitch) is really good but her articulation is not good (IMO). TBH it sounds (to me) like she is singing with two layers of sheets in front of the mic.

    All the instrumentation is spot on. The guitar at ~2:45 jumps in a bit strong but mellows out correctly. Maybe just a fade in envelope?

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/28 23:32:33 (permalink)
    Really nicely done. Well balanced and well performed.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/29 04:28:22 (permalink)
    The recording/production is beautiful, but as Bapu says the vocal could do with a little 'presence'. A subtle high end boost. 

    The only thing that really stood out to me was the snare in the middle of the solo. It seemed late like it was following the other instruments where it should be leading. 

    Overall very good

    More please. 

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/29 11:13:09 (permalink)
    Folks, sincere thanks for providing inputs.  I can definitely put these ideas to use - much appreciated.
     
    Any other thoughts out there?
     
    Thanks again.
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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/29 14:51:31 (permalink)
    I know this song pretty well because my band performed it 30 years ago.  Your version is well done, yet it is so laid back that it is quite different from the original.  The lead vocalist has a nice voice, there's no fire or passion in her delivery.  I miss the harmonies of the original, which makes the delivery of the lead vocal all the more important.  The middle section is a bit long, and as has been suggested, it could be cut in half.  The parts are well played, but the song loses focus at some point.  These are really very minor things that I believe could be easily and quickly fixed if you decide to do so.  Still, I commend you for choosing a great song to cover.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/29 14:53:17 (permalink)
    That was quite pleasant, agree could do with some sculpting around the lead vocal to open up a space for her.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/31 03:14:35 (permalink)
    Hey,
     
    Very pleasant, laid back cover of a great song!  Guitars and percussion sound great and she has a good voice.  I agree with Lynn that maybe a harmony part or two would add some zest and an extra element of interest to break up the flow of the song.
     
    Very nice work!
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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/05/31 09:02:46 (permalink)
    Thanks again everyone. I did cut the solo in half and upload the new version, based on the great suggestions.  Continuing to fine tune from here, including some work on the vocals and harmony.


    Appreciated...
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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/02 12:43:17 (permalink)
    First of all... She has a lovely, lovely voice.  I appreciate her take on this-- she doesn't follow directly in Neil's footsteps, and makes some interesting changes.  This is one of those songs that I play all the time, too.  And I like that she's done something else with it.

    I could leave it at that, because it's really nice, I think...

    But since you are still working on some pieces, I'll suggest that the harmonies after the instrumental solo aren't helping the lead singer much.  There are some not quite meshing parts, that I think needs to be redone or done away with.  And, in my opinion, the piano addition at the end isn't "taking it anywhere", or adding enough to justify it's place.  

    But again, it's really nice the way it is.  I think she's a gem.  And perfect on this song the way it's done.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/02 14:20:33 (permalink)
    Lovley voice is right, a very comfortable tone for this song.   The acoustic guitar sounds really sweet.  I agree the harmony doesn't sound quite right, maybe pan it a bit more and try bumping the EQ in the upper ranges.  The line sounds right and the pitch is good but it doesn't sit quite right with the lead.

    Very nicely done!

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/02 16:31:18 (permalink)
    Hi wicker1000,
    First, really nice song. Did you record the acoustic guitar with one mic or two? It's really nit-picky but if you only used one you might want to try using two in a spaced pair setup to get a bit more "space" in the guitar sound. That's really minor though and really just a matter of preference.

    Re: voice, she sounds lovely but I'd think about cutting somewhere in the 400-500 hz range to clarify her sound a bit. I'd sweep that range till I found the frequency she's sitting on, pull it all the way down and the slowly bring it back till it balanced. To my ears she seems just a bit too present in that area.

    Good luck and nice work.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/02 18:25:26 (permalink)
    wicker1000 - this is pretty nice.  I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, so I'll just say what I like and that's that it's a pretty cool cover.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/03 11:37:10 (permalink)
    Overall you capture this nicely. The harmonies are missing though. I notice there are parts with a male voice added, but it is not singing a harmony - it is just singing the melody an octave lower.

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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/03 18:43:01 (permalink)
    Many thanks for the additional suggestions, especially on the harmony section.  Upon listening with fresh ears, you guys are spot on.  Razorwit - acoustic is a Martin dread recorded with an MXL v88 mic (one mic).  Next time will try 2 mics to give it some dimension.
     
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    Re:"Helpless" cover w/ female singer - inputs please 2012/06/03 21:46:35 (permalink)
    I agree...she's got a beautiful voice.

    Also with Julibee that the piano might not be doing justice to the song.  In a few places the timing is off slightly.  Play it like you mean it. :)

    I listened to Amazing Grace too.  Beautiful!  The bass is so strong and adds so much to it IMO.  
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