How important is the mastering tools

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2012/05/30 06:55:51 (permalink)

How important is the mastering tools

Why not just use the tools that are there to have a a rough mix and for music to sound more natural?
 
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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 07:10:31 (permalink)
    To get the Motown sound.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 07:37:09 (permalink)
    No toggling allowed...

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 09:31:13 (permalink)
    More music with feeling so people can feel again.

    instead of processed human beings maybe?

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 09:44:55 (permalink)
    Mastering tools, important.
    Mastering engineer, priceless.

    I see two of the main goals of mastering to be:
    - make your mix sound good on any system (studio, car, iPod)
    - make a collection of songs (an album) sound cohesive and relatively balanced

    A mastering engineer can make or break your mix on those two points.  Additionally they may find ways to enhance your mix further in very subtle ways, although perhaps one might argue that this is something that should have been taken care of as a mixing task.  Maybe this is what you are referring to in the initial post.

    Either way, 
    Mastering tools, important. 
    Mastering engineer, priceless.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 10:02:16 (permalink)
    If they can bring out a more natural sound I would be happy! If not and it still sounds good. I am happy.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 11:12:03 (permalink)
    You'd be surprised what a good mastering plugin can do to a good sounding mix.

    Ozone is very good at this. It can take a good sounding song and make it better.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 11:52:13 (permalink)
    +1!

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 14:11:24 (permalink)
    i myself can listen to a rough mix, and be impressed even if it is sonically lacking.(Im different though). i would like to believe that i have somewhat of a good idea of where something is going, and what someone was trying to get at. i can still totally get off on potential.. the urgency and feel should already be established in the approach of the artist/and or musicians. the mastering tools become of importance once you have committed to a final mix. but the goods should be heard in the rough mix.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 15:12:43 (permalink)
    My daughter put it to me this way : " I hate concert albums!  I love live concerts, but hate recordings of those concerts." Our ears are used to a certain sound when listening to what we considered a finished product.  The same is true with video.  Movies look less real than footage from a high quality camcorder intentionally. Colors are graded to match or create moods that do not occur naturally.  Movies that try to look natural tend to be low-budget affairs that have very little mass appeal.  I'm not saying these are good things.  Just the way things have developed.  For whatever reason people prefer a less natural sound when it comes to recorded media as opposed to live.  I won't even get into how impossible it is for many popular genres of music to sound natural since they are based on unnatural sounds to begin with.
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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 15:41:26 (permalink)
    aleef


    i myself can listen to a rough mix, and be impressed even if it is sonically lacking.(Im different though). i would like to believe that i have somewhat of a good idea of where something is going, and what someone was trying to get at. i can still totally get off on potential.. the urgency and feel should already be established in the approach of the artist/and or musicians. the mastering tools become of importance once you have committed to a final mix. but the goods should be heard in the rough mix.


    Interesting. I wonder what is meant by a rough mix? To me a rough mix is one that has yet to be mixed.

    A good mix is the harder thing to do than a master. A good mix will be a good mix no matter how well its mastered. A bad mix will always be a bad mix no matter how well its mastered.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 16:31:07 (permalink)
    Its not the tools. Give 2 guys the same amount of wood and nails and supply each of them a hammer. One will build an amazing house and another will build a dinky shack.

    Its never the tools. Its how you use them

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 17:22:50 (permalink)
    Well I don't know about that CJ how about throwing in a saw too? Otherwise one may only get a very long piece of wood.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 17:35:22 (permalink)
    Its never the tools. Its how you use them

     
    I agree, mostly.  But the tools matter.  A lot.  If you don't have the right tools, you may still be able to make it work but it's going to take a lot more time, effort and frustration.  Some of the mastering tools available now make the process of mastering easier than it's ever been.  Not to say mastering is ever easy, because it's not.  It's one of the trickiest parts of music production.  That's why we have engineers who do only mastering, and have extraordinarily expensive hardware and software JUST for mastering.
     
    I've always had to do my own mastering, out of necessity, so over time I've gotten reasonably okay at it.  I mastered my last album with Sound Forge using the Ozone mastering plug-ins.  It came out good, not perfect, but still perfectly listenable and musical.  I over-compressed a couple tracks, squashing the dynamics, which I regret (even though that seems to be the "industry standard" these days).  And the drums got a little buried in the mix.  But there are no game-ending flubs, and I've actually received a lot of compliments on the sound.  Considering the tools I had at the time, I'm very proud of the finished product. 
     
    It took me years to get to that level, though, and I'm still evolving as both artist and engineer.  Right now my focus is on composing for film/tv/games, so that's a whole different ballgame with a completely different approach to mixing and mastering.  Again, having the right tools matters.  For this I'm using EastWest Quantum Leap sound libraries, and it makes mixing orchestral instruments relatively easy because all the nitty gritty production was already done in the EastWest studios.  It's about as close as you can get to having a real orchestra sitting in front of you.  To the greatest extent possible, this allows me to focus on the art of composing rather than the art of engineering. What a blessing that is.
     
    So, yes, it's ultimately true it's "in the way that you use it".  But the tools definitely matter, too.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 17:47:24 (permalink)
    Just to throw this in "It's A poor workman who blames his tools" some people can do amazing things with less than others thats just the way it is.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 18:59:59 (permalink)
    +1
    Look at what the beatles did with nothing, but a 4 track

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 19:20:41 (permalink)
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    +1
    Look at what the beatles did with nothing, but a 4 track


    Surely they had microphones too.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 19:24:18 (permalink)
    Some of my favorite music was made in bullet riddled huts with bargain basement instruments and gear on 4 tracks as well.
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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 20:51:32 (permalink)
    To me a rough mix is one that has yet to be mixed.

     
    that is partly true..but i do use a mixer and a couple of different hardware preamp/channel strips for tracking, that have onboard eq and compression that i may bypass or not. i guess even though i make slight tweaks and little adjustments along the way.. there is still very little, to no processing. i think that constitutes a rough mix...

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/30 21:49:29 (permalink)
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    Some of my favorite music was made in bullet riddled huts with bargain basement instruments and gear on 4 tracks as well.

    this post has been nominated for "most creative line in a post"
     
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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/31 06:37:29 (permalink)
    a bad recording can't hide good music, and a good recording can't hide bad music....

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/31 07:25:01 (permalink)
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    a bad recording can't hide good music, and a good recording can't hide bad music....

    This post has been nominated for "best post that most resembles a fortune cookie"
     
    sorry guys,im all done nominating.
     
    but those are some great words of wisdom.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/31 07:45:59 (permalink)
    I've heard some awfully powerful gospel pieces from the 1920's and 1930's recently ... the singing and such were beautiful in a rough hewn way. 

    Sometimes it just ends up that way....

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/31 08:00:27 (permalink)
    I'm a bit skeptical about the oft-stated "look at what The Beatles did with just a four track". If they ever did anything with just a four track, I've certainly never heard it. I've heard what they did with a four-track, in a fantastic sounding room, with the greatest mics available to them, set up by the best engineers in the world, running through the most state of the art desk and outboard available at the time, working with, in practical terms, unlimited budgets and a supporting cast of the best session and orchestral players available. It's not like they banged out Sgt Pepper on a Tascam Portastudio.

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    Re:How important is the mastering tools 2012/05/31 08:04:23 (permalink)
    That hissfest?

    EEK!!

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