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ARC - Tell me about it
So, I saw ARC mentioned in a recent thread here and I'm not familiar with it. I've got some studio acoustics issues and ARC looks like a product that may help. What's your experience with the product? Pros ... Cons? SOS gave it a pretty good review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar08/articles/ikmultimediaarc.htm
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I got it a few months back. I have no complaints with it. It has a mic, which you place in the "sweet spot".... where you will be setting during the monitoring and mixing stages. You move the mic around one position at a time in that area. 3 to 4 foot circle...follow the directions..... It plays a test tone sound. The mic picks this up and tries to determine the acoustical abnormalities in the listening area and then saves that as a setting. It is recommended that somewhere between 12 to 24 samples are taken of the sweet spot area to get a good representation of the room. Upon tracking and mixing, you insert ARC into the master buss and turn it on using the preset. You can have a number of presets for different listening adventures. Smaller , larger, different location sweet spots.... etc... During playback, ARC will "correct" the sound that is sent to the speakers for you to hear..... essentially, in theory, flattening the sound to avoid the resonant peaks and nulls that have thrown your monitoring situation off in the past. It's supposed to let you hear the true sound of the music taking the room as far out of the picture as possible. When you are finished..... you turn ARC off and export and listen, and the mix should be better balanced from a sonic point of view to play and sound good across many player platforms. hope this helps.
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I've been using it for a while now and wouldn't mix without it. I had been struggling with getting "the" guitar sound but after arc'ing my room, I was able to dial it in quickly. My mixes now translate well to other systems whether its a home stereo, jambox, car stereo or laptop speakers. It's NOT a replacement for treating your room acoustically, which my room is, but a compliment to treatment. For me, it fixes what treatment didn't.
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DeeringAmps amiller, Here's one of the threads where we discuss ARC... http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2332292 HTH, Tom This. I ended up getting this just so that I can find out what the BEEEP!!! is going on with this room..
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Trimph, ARC really isn't the "best" way to analyze your room. Run some "pink" noise and look at that with Voxango's SPAN (real-time) or Har-Bal. Ethan Winer has a test tone project you can run; 20-300hz in 1 hz steps. You record that and you can see the waveform in Sonar bulge and contract. WARNING: it'll make you crazy, if your room is like mine, the nulls and peaks vary drastically. Then run the same tests with ARC on and you'll hear/see where things have improved. Tom
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DeeringAmps ...Then run the same tests with ARC on and you'll hear/see where things have improved. Tom So, how do like ARC?
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2012/06/04 11:45:04
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I think it helps a lot. Will it make your/my small room "perfect"? Not a chance. T
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DeeringAmps I think it helps a lot. Will it make your/my small room "perfect"? Not a chance. T Well, I'm pretty sure my room is FAR from perfect. It looks like ARC may be something I really need.
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2012/06/04 13:55:50
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meh..my room is already insane to begin with, what's another semi-loon?
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2012/06/04 14:56:37
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I have it. I use it. It works for me. Some agree with me, others do not. YMMV.
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Do you guys agree with the SOS statement below? Is it understated ... overstated? From SOS: "All in all, the ARC software does seem able to bestow some improvements upon less than perfect monitoring systems and rooms — although I think it fair to say that the better the room to start with, the better the end results will be. ARC is no substitute for proper acoustic treatment, but it can maximise performance and reduce minor response irregularities very well, and with negligible quality degradation. But then, you can buy an awful lot of acoustic treatment for the price of the ARC software! "
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amiller Do you guys agree with the SOS statement below? Is it understated ... overstated? From SOS: "All in all, the ARC software does seem able to bestow some improvements upon less than perfect monitoring systems and rooms — although I think it fair to say that the better the room to start with, the better the end results will be. ARC is no substitute for proper acoustic treatment, but it can maximise performance and reduce minor response irregularities very well, and with negligible quality degradation. But then, you can buy an awful lot of acoustic treatment for the price of the ARC software! " JOMO, IMHO.
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2012/06/04 15:34:32
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I tend to agree with the statement, but the question is just how much room treatment can you buy for $200? (the price I paid for ARC) And then what if your wife says... Oh hell no you ain't hanging THAT in this room...? ARC is invisible.
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bapu amiller Do you guys agree with the SOS statement below? Is it understated ... overstated? From SOS: "All in all, the ARC software does seem able to bestow some improvements upon less than perfect monitoring systems and rooms — although I think it fair to say that the better the room to start with, the better the end results will be. ARC is no substitute for proper acoustic treatment, but it can maximise performance and reduce minor response irregularities very well, and with negligible quality degradation. But then, you can buy an awful lot of acoustic treatment for the price of the ARC software! " JOMO, IMHO. OK, ya got me. I know what IMHO means but "JOMO," I haven't a clue?
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2012/06/04 16:55:09
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I agree with both SOS and amiller JOMO T
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Re:ARC - Tell me about it
2012/06/04 17:13:30
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amiller Do you guys agree with the SOS statement below? Is it understated ... overstated? From SOS: "All in all, the ARC software does seem able to bestow some improvements upon less than perfect monitoring systems and rooms — although I think it fair to say that the better the room to start with, the better the end results will be. ARC is no substitute for proper acoustic treatment, but it can maximise performance and reduce minor response irregularities very well, and with negligible quality degradation. But then, you can buy an awful lot of acoustic treatment for the price of the ARC software! " I agree with that. The one thing to remember about ARC though is how much you pay attention to detail when setting it up. Someone posted a link to a discussion we were having where I put up the method I used to ARC my room. If the reviewers that test it don't go through that trouble they will not get the best results. For me personally, it's worked in every room I've used it in both treated and un-treated rooms. -Danny
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Re:ARC - Tell me about it
2012/06/04 18:10:58
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amiller So, I saw ARC mentioned in a recent thread here and I'm not familiar with it. I've got some studio acoustics issues and ARC looks like a product that may help. What's your experience with the product? Pros ... Cons? SOS gave it a pretty good review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar08/articles/ikmultimediaarc.htm It works, period :)
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2012/06/04 21:28:30
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Agreed, not because I work for IK, but because I work for IK because of ARC. First time I heard of it I thought the IK rep was stupid and didn't know that it was impossible to "tune" a room. Fast forward a few years and I work for IK. Love ARC and use it in my studio.
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I've been doing the research, both here and elsewhere. It looks like ARC addresses some acoustic issues, however, it also looks like proper bass traps will actually do a better job IN MY CASE. I have a room that I use for my home studio and the wife could care less how it looks or what I put on the walls...short of naked women. I found a great simple to follow DIY bass trap PDF on the web. I'm not bad at this type of simple construction. So, I'm strongly leaning toward making my own traps. I figure I can make 6 48x24 4" thick traps for about $200 - $250. If I need more acoustic adjustments after the bass traps are installed I can always consider adding ARC to the "mix." What do you guys think?
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2012/06/05 15:35:46
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amiller I've been doing the research, both here and elsewhere. It looks like ARC addresses some acoustic issues, however, it also looks like proper bass traps will actually do a better job IN MY CASE. I have a room that I use for my home studio and the wife could care less how it looks or what I put on the walls...short of naked women. I found a great simple to follow DIY bass trap PDF on the web. I'm not bad at this type of simple construction. So, I'm strongly leaning toward making my own traps. I figure I can make 6 48x24 4" thick traps for about $200 - $250. If I need more acoustic adjustments after the bass traps are installed I can always consider adding ARC to the "mix." What do you guys think? Seems like the way most of us went. I spent about $400 on DIY. 7 48x24 4", 2 (side panels) 42x24 2" and 3 48x24 4" portable "vocal booth" panels. Then I got ARC. I could have probably spent another $400 and I'm not sure I would have tamed everything anyway.
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bapu amiller I've been doing the research, both here and elsewhere. It looks like ARC addresses some acoustic issues, however, it also looks like proper bass traps will actually do a better job IN MY CASE. I have a room that I use for my home studio and the wife could care less how it looks or what I put on the walls...short of naked women. I found a great simple to follow DIY bass trap PDF on the web. I'm not bad at this type of simple construction. So, I'm strongly leaning toward making my own traps. I figure I can make 6 48x24 4" thick traps for about $200 - $250. If I need more acoustic adjustments after the bass traps are installed I can always consider adding ARC to the "mix." What do you guys think? Seems like the way most of us went. I spent about $400 on DIY. 7 48x24 4", 2 (side panels) 42x24 2" and 3 48x24 4" portable "vocal booth" panels. Then I got ARC. I could have probably spent another $400 and I'm not sure I would have tamed everything anyway. So, did ARC finish the job of taming the room for you? How far did the DIY panels get you?
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Re:ARC - Tell me about it
2012/06/05 16:06:50
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amiller I've been doing the research, both here and elsewhere. It looks like ARC addresses some acoustic issues, however, it also looks like proper bass traps will actually do a better job IN MY CASE. I have a room that I use for my home studio and the wife could care less how it looks or what I put on the walls...short of naked women. I found a great simple to follow DIY bass trap PDF on the web. I'm not bad at this type of simple construction. So, I'm strongly leaning toward making my own traps. I figure I can make 6 48x24 4" thick traps for about $200 - $250. If I need more acoustic adjustments after the bass traps are installed I can always consider adding ARC to the "mix." What do you guys think? If you can afford the room treatment plus ARC, you'll end up even more accurate. If you have a perfectly corrected room, your monitors still need to be corrected. Every serious studio around has a Rane eq that is locked from their monitors being analyzed. ARC is a good analyzer and can flatten your monitors once your room is corrected. I've had great results in both treated and untreated rooms. Good luck. -Danny
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amiller So, did ARC finish the job of taming the room for you? How far did the DIY panels get you? Not exactly. Here is the visual from ARC The red line represents the EQ curve that ARC saw and the white/yellowish line represents ARCs correction. Not "perfect" but as you can see, a lot flatter than it was.
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bapu amiller So, did ARC finish the job of taming the room for you? How far did the DIY panels get you? Not exactly. Here is the visual from ARC The red line represents the EQ curve that ARC saw and the white/yellowish line represents ARCs correction. Not "perfect" but as you can see, a lot flatter than it was. Thanks for posting that. In the spirit of wanting to understand my tools I asked twice (and for what ever reason ignored IK') over at gearslutz what and or how many processes ARC might use. Ok fine. Looks here like at least a few parimetrics independent for right and left. Curious that the dip in the hump between 30 and 70ish actually got to be greater relative that span.
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mixsit In the spirit of wanting to understand my tools I asked twice (and for what ever reason ignored IK') over at gearslutz what and or how many processes ARC might use. Processes meaning cpu usage? I'm getting about 0.5% per instance or less. My cpu with 1 instance toggles between 0% and 1% staying more at 0% than 1%. With two instances (which is what I usually use) it stays at 1% and may throttle down to 0% for a second, but is more on the 1% side. I hope that answers your question. :) -Danny
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Danny Danzi mixsit In the spirit of wanting to understand my tools I asked twice (and for what ever reason ignored IK') over at gearslutz what and or how many processes ARC might use. Processes meaning cpu usage? I'm getting about 0.5% per instance or less. My cpu with 1 instance toggles between 0% and 1% staying more at 0% than 1%. With two instances (which is what I usually use) it stays at 1% and may throttle down to 0% for a second, but is more on the 1% side. I hope that answers your question. :) -Danny Not CPU. What audio processes. Besides eq they mention phase, and/or hints of things in the time domain IIRC.
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2012/06/10 00:43:14
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mixsit Danny Danzi mixsit In the spirit of wanting to understand my tools I asked twice (and for what ever reason ignored IK') over at gearslutz what and or how many processes ARC might use. Processes meaning cpu usage? I'm getting about 0.5% per instance or less. My cpu with 1 instance toggles between 0% and 1% staying more at 0% than 1%. With two instances (which is what I usually use) it stays at 1% and may throttle down to 0% for a second, but is more on the 1% side. I hope that answers your question. :) -Danny Not CPU. What audio processes. Besides eq they mention phase, and/or hints of things in the time domain IIRC. Can't help ya with that as I don't know all the stuff it's doing under the hood. I can say this though....it's helped me in every room and monitor I've used it on and as a worst case scenario, it's a good monitor "flattener" and comparable to someone coming to your house with an analyzer and setting an eq for you that you never touch. Sorry I can't be more helpful. -Danny
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