Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode?

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2012/06/08 21:41:01 (permalink)

Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode?

Most of my plug ins are in 32 bit but all of my 64 bit plugs come in 32 bit variety as well. I sequence soft synths with minimal audio recording at all. I am running Windows 7 on a 64 bit pc with 8 gigs of ram. And while I know I won't get to access all 8 gigs of ram in 32 bit mode will I notice any major changes in how the software runs?      


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/08 21:51:38 (permalink)
    No not really except X1 64 bit should run a little better.

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/08 22:20:21 (permalink)
    Most of my plug ins are in 32 bit but all of my 64 bit plugs come in 32 bit variety as well. I sequence soft synths with minimal audio recording at all. I am running Windows 7 on a 64 bit pc with 8 gigs of ram. And while I know I won't get to access all 8 gigs of ram in 32 bit mode will I notice any major changes in how the software runs?

     
    The primary advantage of running in 64-bit mode is RAM.  If you're using softsynths, this is where 64-bit really shines.  With 16GB of RAM, I can load up an entire softsynth orchestra full of EWQLSO patches without any issues.  I never could've done that with my old 32-bit system.  Life is good.  :)

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/08 22:36:47 (permalink)
    It depends if you need more than 4 gigs of ram and if all your plugins are 64bit ready

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/08 22:50:10 (permalink)
    Since I switched over to 64 bit everything is runs much better....Now I insist any new programs be 64 bit or I won't bother with them. I'm not interested in antique software, and that's exactly what 32 bit software is quickly becoming.
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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 00:07:37 (permalink)
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    Since I switched over to 64 bit everything is runs much better....Now I insist any new programs be 64 bit or I won't bother with them. I'm not interested in antique software, and that's exactly what 32 bit software is quickly becoming.

    Quickly? Idk the main reason I ask is it seems like the most popular DAWs are still 32 bit. Live, Pro Tools, FL Studio and Reason on recently because 64 bit. Studio One I expected to be 64 bit early since its new. Sonar was the 1st 64 bit DAW, Reaper has fast development so that doesn't surprise me and Cubase I think is 64 bit as well. Idk if I would say they are old quite yet they are all some where in the middle. I was wondering if I could run more plugs in 32 bit mode though mostly I guess. Plus I am hearing rewire works better with Sonar in 32 bit mode. The rewire vst works well but if I could use Reason naturally as it should be used in rewire mode I'll still take it. 


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 07:25:01 (permalink)
    if you stick w/32bit, and don't need the extra ram, you'll avoid all the bit-j-bridging issues ;) but there's nothing to stop you installing both on a x64 rig

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 08:18:54 (permalink)
    You need to stick with 32 bit if your hardware manufacturer don't supply 64bit drivers, as is the case with my Yamaha gear, that I can't afford to replace at the mo..

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 08:41:10 (permalink)
    good point roy - i'm lucky that my interfaces have been kept up-to-date along the way (esi wavetermial 192m & edirol ua-1000)

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 10:57:27 (permalink)
    all of my hardware can run in either 32 or 64 bit


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 11:13:04 (permalink)
    so ram usage, rewire, and bridging "essential" non-x64 plugs are your focus areas - but only you can find out what's best for your system/workflow - i'm moving to x64 at the mo, and dual-booting's making it a lot easier (and live8 is still only 32 bit)

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 11:43:22 (permalink)
    exactly. Ram is not a major concern either I just want to see if it will run a lot worse on 32 bit and it sounds like it will not. I ask because I don't want to take the 12 hours it will take to download X1 again to test it out. 


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 19:33:19 (permalink)
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    exactly. Ram is not a major concern either I just want to see if it will run a lot worse on 32 bit and it sounds like it will not. I ask because I don't want to take the 12 hours it will take to download X1 again to test it out. 

    Just a question - why would you need to download again? It's a single installer for both 32- and 64-bit versions.
    So you should just be able to rerun the installer and choose 32-bit - both versions can exist side by side on a 64-bit OS.


    One possible advantage of 32-bit is getting ACT to work properly with 32-bit plugins. My (admittedly brief) experience with bit-bridged plugs is that ACT can't be configured. At least I can't find a way to do it. Native MIDI learn within the plugs seems to be hit-and-miss too.

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/09 20:06:46 (permalink)
    I didn't keep the installers on my system. I installed and deleted everything I believe. At least I cannot remember keeping them. 


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 00:20:09 (permalink)
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    Most of my plug ins are in 32 bit but all of my 64 bit plugs come in 32 bit variety as well. I sequence soft synths with minimal audio recording at all. I am running Windows 7 on a 64 bit pc with 8 gigs of ram. And while I know I won't get to access all 8 gigs of ram in 32 bit mode will I notice any major changes in how the software runs?      



    Regardless of what you've heard, you can access more than 4 GB of samples while running 32 bit Sonar on a 64 bit OS. The key is accessing the samples in a 64 bit application (or multiple 32 bit apps) outside of Sonar. One example of an application which features this functionality is Vienna Ensemble Pro which allows you to access both 32 bit and 64 bit plugins on the same machine while simultaneously running 32 bit Sonar. (and without the peccadilloes of bit-bridge or j-bridge)
     
    and there _is_ an advantage to using 32 bit Sonar: you don't have to worry about the compatibility of 32 bit plugins.
     


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 01:24:09 (permalink)
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    Most of my plug ins are in 32 bit but all of my 64 bit plugs come in 32 bit variety as well. I sequence soft synths with minimal audio recording at all. I am running Windows 7 on a 64 bit pc with 8 gigs of ram. And while I know I won't get to access all 8 gigs of ram in 32 bit mode will I notice any major changes in how the software runs?      



    Regardless of what you've heard, you can access more than 4 GB of samples while running 32 bit Sonar on a 64 bit OS. The key is accessing the samples in a 64 bit application (or multiple 32 bit apps) outside of Sonar. One example of an application which features this functionality is Vienna Ensemble Pro which allows you to access both 32 bit and 64 bit plugins on the same machine while simultaneously running 32 bit Sonar. (and without the peccadilloes of bit-bridge or j-bridge)

    and there _is_ an advantage to using 32 bit Sonar: you don't have to worry about the compatibility of 32 bit plugins.

    I don't get it     ? 


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 05:35:32 (permalink)
    So I finally got 32 bit installed took a while to get a good download they kept breaking. Anyway I am happy to report that I will continue to run in 32 bit mode as I have noticed everything seems to run better in 32 bit mode for me and rewire works as it is supposed to thus far. I am happy right now. Back to music making

    edit scratch that it was a fluke rewire is still screwed up gosh darn it     
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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 09:42:27 (permalink)
    No only disadvantage


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 13:10:51 (permalink)

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    Most of my plug ins are in 32 bit but all of my 64 bit plugs come in 32 bit variety as well. I sequence soft synths with minimal audio recording at all. I am running Windows 7 on a 64 bit pc with 8 gigs of ram. And while I know I won't get to access all 8 gigs of ram in 32 bit mode will I notice any major changes in how the software runs?      



    Regardless of what you've heard, you can access more than 4 GB of samples while running 32 bit Sonar on a 64 bit OS. The key is accessing the samples in a 64 bit application (or multiple 32 bit apps) outside of Sonar. One example of an application which features this functionality is Vienna Ensemble Pro which allows you to access both 32 bit and 64 bit plugins on the same machine while simultaneously running 32 bit Sonar. (and without the peccadilloes of bit-bridge or j-bridge)

    and there _is_ an advantage to using 32 bit Sonar: you don't have to worry about the compatibility of 32 bit plugins.

    I don't get it     ? 

    What don't you understand? 


    If you want to access more samples in your 8 GB of ram memory than the limit that running Sonar 32 bit will allow internally, there are applications that allow you to do this. You run the applications outside of Sonar and the applications get their own memory space (counted separately from Sonar) and thus can use more of your ram memory in samples. Midi (or audio) is routed to the external host application and the resulting audio is routed back to Sonar. One application that does this well is Vienna Ensemble Pro. It hosts both 32 and 64 bit plugins and is very transparent in its operations with Sonar. It will even remember which plugins were used and which samples were loaded for any given Sonar project and automatically load them into Vienna Ensemble Pro when the Sonar project is loaded.


    This may not be your cup of tea, but I just wanted to point out that there are ways to use 32 bit Sonar and still have access to a large volume of memory-hosted samples.



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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 13:25:44 (permalink)
    The main advantage is the most obvious one, you won't need to use any kind of bridge program to run your 32 bit plugins. Unless you have some 32 bit program that you absolutely cannot get to run with the 64 bit version, it seems pointless to hang on to the 32 bit version. There is no doubt 32 bit is dying a little bit more every day. Better to move forward and adjust to growing pains than to drag it out and inevitably have to go the same direction anyway.
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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 13:42:39 (permalink)
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    The main advantage is the most obvious one, you won't need to use any kind of bridge program to run your 32 bit plugins. 

    But that is the purpose of "bridge programs" - to allow 32 bit plugins to run under 64 bit Sonar.

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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 14:49:23 (permalink)
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    Most of my plug ins are in 32 bit but all of my 64 bit plugs come in 32 bit variety as well. I sequence soft synths with minimal audio recording at all. I am running Windows 7 on a 64 bit pc with 8 gigs of ram. And while I know I won't get to access all 8 gigs of ram in 32 bit mode will I notice any major changes in how the software runs?      



    Regardless of what you've heard, you can access more than 4 GB of samples while running 32 bit Sonar on a 64 bit OS. The key is accessing the samples in a 64 bit application (or multiple 32 bit apps) outside of Sonar. One example of an application which features this functionality is Vienna Ensemble Pro which allows you to access both 32 bit and 64 bit plugins on the same machine while simultaneously running 32 bit Sonar. (and without the peccadilloes of bit-bridge or j-bridge)

    and there _is_ an advantage to using 32 bit Sonar: you don't have to worry about the compatibility of 32 bit plugins.

    I don't get it     ? 

    What don't you understand? 


    If you want to access more samples in your 8 GB of ram memory than the limit that running Sonar 32 bit will allow internally, there are applications that allow you to do this. You run the applications outside of Sonar and the applications get their own memory space (counted separately from Sonar) and thus can use more of your ram memory in samples. Midi (or audio) is routed to the external host application and the resulting audio is routed back to Sonar. One application that does this well is Vienna Ensemble Pro. It hosts both 32 and 64 bit plugins and is very transparent in its operations with Sonar. It will even remember which plugins were used and which samples were loaded for any given Sonar project and automatically load them into Vienna Ensemble Pro when the Sonar project is loaded.


    This may not be your cup of tea, but I just wanted to point out that there are ways to use 32 bit Sonar and still have access to a large volume of memory-hosted samples.

    The second explanation made more sense thanks. The first time it just went over my head 


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 14:53:03 (permalink)
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    The main advantage is the most obvious one, you won't need to use any kind of bridge program to run your 32 bit plugins. Unless you have some 32 bit program that you absolutely cannot get to run with the 64 bit version, it seems pointless to hang on to the 32 bit version. There is no doubt 32 bit is dying a little bit more every day. Better to move forward and adjust to growing pains than to drag it out and inevitably have to go the same direction anyway.

    I am not too worried about keeping up with technology at this point. I can use what I use until I have to upgrade it back to 64 bit. The no bit bridge thing is appealing though. But a lot of this question had to do with Reason since I kept hearing rewire with it actually worked right in 32 bit Sonar. That was inaccurate though I have the same issues in 32 bit rewire that I do in 64 bit. Still broken. I have the rewire vst though but I wanted to see if I could get more out of regular rewire. Since I cannot I'll probably use 32 bit anyway because my most commonly used plug ins are only 32 bit (sampletank, korg legacy collection and Addictive drums) and everything else I can run in 32 bit mode anyway so why rush to 64 bit. 


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    Re:Are there any advantages to running Sonar X1 in 32 bit mode? 2012/06/10 15:06:08 (permalink)
    The main advantage is, as most people say, 64-bit. Everything is moving towards 64 Bit. 

    If you can run everything on 32 Bit, my first thoughts would be you're running 16-bit or lower quality samples. As you get higher quality samples and bigger in projects, the demand for RAM becomes substantially higher. I currently have 24 Gbs and on the odd occasion need to offload RAM to a second laptop. 

    64-bit Sonar has backward compatibility with some 32 Bit synths (but not all). And most developers are releasing 64-Bit as of this year and the next. 32-Bit will slowly phase out. It is a good time to transition now.
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