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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 01:43:44
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THE NIGHT FOX
Ok guys so you don't like it or is it you just don't like me , I happen to like what I created and here's the thing I'm not posting to please or get some approval I post because this forum belongs to the company that sold me their software and its their software that I use to create this music I created and posted .
The bottom line is like a ROSE theres always THORN'S that you have to deal with in life and I guess theres a few who seem to want to keep stickin it to me no matter how good or how bad my stuff seems to be .
As for the drums in this music , it KICKS ASS and sounds GREAT ! The lead guitar synth sound I picked out its the best I could find that really does sound close to a shredding lead guitar sound , sorry I could not find a real guitar player but IT AN'T THAT BAD for what it is and works very well ! Just for the record I don't have any plans to change anything except for maybe adding some type of lyrics to it , now that would really piss some of you off TALK ABOUT THORNS !
James - The Night Fox
Hey mate didn't you read my message, I wasn't knocking you, or the tune. I think you asked for advice and I gave it. I found the snare to sound really flat and the way I combat that is to use some sort of saturation. I also gave you advice on how to structure a song and just felt that the guitar lead was a bit thin. I actually said I liked the lead.
When you post a half written song, expect advice.
I also said harden the **** up, you want to be an artist, then this is the game. Right.
Your not pissing me off, it's hard to piss me off.
Yes this forum is as much yours as it mine or anybody elses, so please continue posting.
What sort of monitoring equipment are you using and does your room have any sort of treatment this will cloud your mixing judgement, I should know I've been there. I don't have the best monitors but they are active and my room is fairly well treated. Plus I have been doing this now for over 13 years and I know how a mix should feel on my monitors and how a mix should look when I place a spectrum analyser over the top.
Just relax, this is the song forum and we try to treat each other with respect here, this is not like the rest of the Cakes forum where it can be a bull pit.
Just be thankful a certain troll called dead beat pete hasn't posted he would have torn you to shreads and even now I would come into bat for you but continue with that attitude and I will leave you to the wolfs.
If you want to get all snipy go and do it on the techniques forum or the X1 forum. I know I do but here we try and be supportive, even if I don't like a track I try and find something positive to say and I didn't even say I didn't like your track.\
I also said if you believe in your track defend it but not to the point that you have gone, just say this is my mixing descion and leave it at that.
Peace Ben
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 03:50:59
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BenMMusTech
THE NIGHT FOX
Ok guys so you don't like it or is it you just don't like me , I happen to like what I created and here's the thing I'm not posting to please or get some approval I post because this forum belongs to the company that sold me their software and its their software that I use to create this music I created and posted .
The bottom line is like a ROSE theres always THORN'S that you have to deal with in life and I guess theres a few who seem to want to keep stickin it to me no matter how good or how bad my stuff seems to be .
As for the drums in this music , it KICKS ASS and sounds GREAT ! The lead guitar synth sound I picked out its the best I could find that really does sound close to a shredding lead guitar sound , sorry I could not find a real guitar player but IT AN'T THAT BAD for what it is and works very well ! Just for the record I don't have any plans to change anything except for maybe adding some type of lyrics to it , now that would really piss some of you off TALK ABOUT THORNS !
James - The Night Fox
Hey mate didn't you read my message, I wasn't knocking you, or the tune. I think you asked for advice and I gave it. I found the snare to sound really flat and the way I combat that is to use some sort of saturation. I also gave you advice on how to structure a song and just felt that the guitar lead was a bit thin. I actually said I liked the lead.
When you post a half written song, expect advice.
I also said harden the **** up, you want to be an artist, then this is the game. Right.
Your not pissing me off, it's hard to piss me off.
Yes this forum is as much yours as it mine or anybody elses, so please continue posting.
What sort of monitoring equipment are you using and does your room have any sort of treatment this will cloud your mixing judgement, I should know I've been there. I don't have the best monitors but they are active and my room is fairly well treated. Plus I have been doing this now for over 13 years and I know how a mix should feel on my monitors and how a mix should look when I place a spectrum analyser over the top.
Just relax, this is the song forum and we try to treat each other with respect here, this is not like the rest of the Cakes forum where it can be a bull pit.
Just be thankful a certain troll called dead beat pete hasn't posted he would have torn you to shreads and even now I would come into bat for you but continue with that attitude and I will leave you to the wolfs.
If you want to get all snipy go and do it on the techniques forum or the X1 forum. I know I do but here we try and be supportive, even if I don't like a track I try and find something positive to say and I didn't even say I didn't like your track.\
I also said if you believe in your track defend it but not to the point that you have gone, just say this is my mixing descion and leave it at that.
Peace Ben
 Ben everyone has their own opinions , I don't agree with some of the comments . This music I created is based on two totally different sections or elements . One section on the mellow side and the other totally extreme , the ROSE is mellow and THORN is on the extreme side and thats why I called it ROSES & THORNS .
Its not what you would call a song , music maybe but not a song where you have an intro - verse -chorus and so on .
For me it was more or less a fun musical project , simply in its own way . Expermental , whatever it was something I was working as a fun project instead of doing nothing .
As for my mix I don't think it sounds that bad , I use a pair of $100.00 small M-Audio monitor speakers I bought new a year ago thats work fairly good .
Anyway sorry if I seem a bit on the snippy side , alot of personal health issues has had me down in the dumps lately this year .
I just took a eight hour test with a neuropsycholgist last week because of alot of memory issues in the last eight months .
The all day testing I took last week is to see if I have Alzheimers disease or some other issue .
Its something that runs in my family on my mothers side . For the past year I have noticed alot of things going on that I'm worried about and my exwife is worried too .
If he tells me I have Alzheimers disease I might as well give music up completely , theres no cure it only gets worse over time .
Sorry buddy -James
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 05:02:15
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Just wanted to say I added in a piano track in the second extreme section , sounds good now at 2:00am in the morning but I won't know for sure untill I can listen to it through my monitors sometime later on today after I wake up in the morning . I'm also trying to make some type of a change in the first section , see what happens later on today sometime . James - SEE YA !
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 06:50:40
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It's alright James I will have a listen to your new mix tommorow. Just remember we're all friends here on the song forum. I felt there were elements that work on this track you have the basis of a good track, I like the toms, I liked the guitar line as well, but as I say the snares sounded like cardboard.
Just take some of our comments on board, there is a lot of experienced people here on the song forum and this is the one place where we put our egos aside and try be constructive.
As I say I actually thought you had the beginnings of a good track I don't waste my time giving opinions a if I think the track is already great or b the track is crap.
You have the beginnings of a good track, just remember we're all friends here on the song forum, let's leave the sniping **** to other parts of the forum.
I'm sorry to here about your medical problems.
Peace Ben
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 09:49:32
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James, sometimes people over think this stuff. Often those with the loudest and longest comments are the ones with the least expertise, and the ones with the most expertise usually are the ones with the most concise comments. This song is going to be good if you just stick to your instincts which have been good all along.
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 11:34:48
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Thanks Ben and Lynn , I just woke up and took a listen at the piano track I added to the second section and it sounded like crap , what was I thinking at 2:00am in the morning !
Oh well back to where I started , thanks for the support .
James
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 13:18:05
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Well it looks like its back to the chopping block , after looking everything over and listening to your comments I decided I'm going to shred half of what I created and turn it into a full song with intro -verses , chorus , bridge and so on . I like the second section so I'm keeping that part of it , that section might end up being either my verse section or chorus section . If I use it as a chorus section that means I will have to cut that down in measures , ummm might workout as a verse instead of a chorus section . The main drum track is also going to the chopping block , when I created this music I rewired Reason 5 into Project 5 . Most of of what I created was created using Reason 5 rewired to Project 5 except for the main drum track in Project 5 . Dang I let the cat out of the bag !  This whole project using both CakeWalk Project 5 and Reason 5 was more or less an experiment . Reason 5 has alot of cool stuff that Project five doesn't offer me and I paid almost five hundred dollars for Reason 5 and Record a year ago and really haven't used it that much untill now . The more tools in your toolbox the better off you are right thats the way I see it ! Anyway what I posted here was more or less a experiment , now that I have things working using both Project 5 and Reason 5 I'll go back and see if I can turn this into a real song .
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 17:23:07
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 20:14:05
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Ok thats coming along and I actually like it but it still needs a lot of work.
Firstly rather than just coming straight in you need some sort of intro. Where is the rest of the track, because that will be a killer track once you add some more components to it.
Now the mix is coming along, the snare sounds better, still a little cardboard like but better. You need to bring the guitar,synth line up though. It's a lead and it needs to be more prominent.
But it's coming along and if you keep working on it, it could be a really good track.
Peace Ben
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 21:30:35
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Check it out now , ITS SCOTTY AS A GHOST ! Hold on to your pants , I figured out this keyboard lead guitar playing stuff and my fingers are HOT NOW ! I also made some keyboard changes , I deleted about eight tracks so its sound much better now . WOW my lead Guitar playing just got better on the keyboard ! http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=11702701&q=hi&newref=1
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 21:32:25
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Were is the link James??
Ben
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 21:37:52
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BenMMusTech
Were is the link James??
Its here Ben I just updated it , cheers !
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/12 21:48:17
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Time to shut down my computer for awhile , I have been working at this for hours and I need to start my dinner before I melt ! Check back later , just kidding about Scotty being my Ghost Player but it doesn't sound too bad considering I used my Keyboard . James
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/13 00:40:51
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I think my fingers are well broken in now , LOOK MOM NO STRINGS ! So much for joking around , I think have a rock solid first verse now . All I need now is a good catchy chorus section next , hope I'm not boring the hell out of you with all these short versions . You might say I'm sort excited I found out how to create some decent electric lead guitar sounds . Its not the real deal but it sure doesn't sound all that bad , oh well I think its time to pop some popcorn and watch a good movie tonight and give my fingers and ears a break . Cheers ! James
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/14 00:57:10
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Alot of trying this and that untill I finally nailed what I was looking for as a lead part for my first verse , what do you think you like it ? James
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/14 17:32:17
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Have you had those days trying to create something good and suddenly you hit a brick wall ! Thats me with this tune , I had so much faith in this tune and suddenly it died on me with no place to go. I think I'm going to freeze this tune and lets my head shrink back to size again before starting something else , I have had enough of this one for now ! Dead-Dead-Dead , IT DIED ON ME !  James an't howlin tonight ! 
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/15 23:16:50
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Dude, you're talking to yourself.
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/16 02:12:24
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Dude, you're talking to yourself.
No Dude it's YOU ! HA ! HA ! By the way my song is close to being finished and it's sounding COOL !!!!!!!!
Oh Yea the first song sample I posted is now rated number #3 on the charts , not too dang bad for a half finished piece of music !
James -The Night Fox
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Re:Roses And Thorns - NOW FINISHED !
2012/06/16 02:20:13
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News update , I was just about to call this song project a DONE DEAL and an hour later a day ago I decided to keep working on it . A day later and hours later my song project is almost at the finished line , this time its a full song instead of two sections of music . Not finished yet but it will be in a few days from now , GET READY !!! James - The Night Fox
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