Beatles BIRTHDAY ending

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2012/06/10 16:21:54 (permalink)

Beatles BIRTHDAY ending

Does anyone have any idea what that instrument is at the end of The Beatles' Birthday song (as the song fades out)?  Is it some sort of electric piano, or a Jedi Light Sabre, or what?  Do you know how they managed to achieve that effect?  And if so, got any ideas on how I could emulate that today?
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 16:40:35 (permalink)
    Don't remember where I read this, but I thought I remember it being a Leslie speaker cabinet on the guitar.  A Leslie cabinet gives that swirling/ rotating sound.
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 18:22:33 (permalink)
    It does not sound like a Leslie to me. A Leslie has a smoother rotating type of effect. Seeing as the whole track sounds like there are only guitars present it could be some sort of feedback guitar note maybe running through some sort of effect. The sound seems to change abruptly in tone etc.  Could be a feedback sound running through a wah pedal or something like that not sure though. Guitars can make some pretty weird sounds you know.

    When you watch Paul McCartney live doing that tune they don't seem to do it all, but rather left it out. But there are keys playing in the live Paul gig.

    Interesting info from JayJayVee below. At first I did not hear the piano that well, it is back in the mix a bit and heavily effected. At the end they must have just played a piano note and effected it heavily through a guitar amp as beatlesbible.con suggests. Sounds like it for sure.
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 18:58:39 (permalink)
    I just found this when searching around the beatlesbible.com web site:
     
    Birthday was a straightforward song to record, and all four Beatles contributed. Backing vocals were added by Pattie Harrison and Yoko Ono, and all - including the group's assistant Mal Evans - recorded handclaps.
    The effects heard towards the song's end, and in the 'I would like you to dance' section, were created by a piano microphone fed through a guitar amplifier with effects added.
    Based around a standard blues structure, Birthday contains one of McCartney's finest vocal performances on the White Album. Perhaps the soundtrack to The Girl Can't Help It - which featured Little Richard, Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, Fats Domino and others - played a part.
     
    So......who knows.
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 19:07:51 (permalink)
    JayJayVee

     Does anyone have any idea what that instrument is at the end of The Beatles' Birthday song (as the song fades out)?
    I have always assumed that it was a piano through a wah-wah pedal.  It is not significantly different from the sound used in the instrumental part at 1:12.




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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 20:00:35 (permalink)
    I've just had a listen and its def not a leslie, I know a leslie sound.  It sounds like a filter but it also sounds like when you switch pickups on a guitar, it wouldn't surprise me if they have put a guitar up against an amp turned up the guitar full bore and recorded a 2nd guitar amp with the piano going through the 2nd and switched the guitar pickups up and down.

    Also I find it funny that they have listed Ringo playing drums on this track, I am pretty sure it was Paul playing drums, I might be wrong and I know it's suppose to be The Beatles bible but I know Mc's drum style and I am pretty sure that this was recorded in the week that Ringo quit the band.  I wish I still had my Mark Lewison book.

    History it's funny how it gets distorted over time.

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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 20:16:07 (permalink)
    On thinking about it, I bet we are getting two sounds mixed up and that this sound idea at the end has been lost in the anals of time.

    I bet you that, that sound at the end is a jews harp recorded through a guitar pick up with someone switching the pickup at the same time.  I know it sounds crazy but if def sounds like that to me.

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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 20:25:49 (permalink)
    One can easily get overcomplicated about it I think although it is always fun speculating I suppose as to how they might have got a certain sound.

    I think its the piano through the wah pedal and that is it. At the end it sounds like just a sustained note (or interval or chord even) and the wah pedal is just being moved quickly from one position to another and left in that position and then moved etc. Not a slow sweeping movement. More discreet pedal positions. 

    You have got to think of what they had around at the time. I agree with Kev999. At 1.30  you can sort of hear what that effected piano sounds like. It is more exposed there doing the question and answer thing.

    The reason I think it's the piano is that a normal piano sound cannot be really heard except for this piano through a wah wah type sound so it must be it.
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 20:56:57 (permalink)
    Jeff Evans

    At 1.30  you can sort of hear what that effected piano sounds like. It is more exposed there doing the question and answer thing.
    Yes, 1:30 not 1:12 as I stated.  I forgot that my display (in iTunes) shows time remaining.


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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 21:15:16 (permalink)
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    I find it funny that they have listed Ringo playing drums on this track, I am pretty sure it was Paul playing drums, I might be wrong and I know it's suppose to be The Beatles bible but I know Mc's drum style and I am pretty sure that this was recorded in the week that Ringo quit the band.  I wish I still had my Mark Lewison book.

    According to Lewisohn, Paul arrived early to the studio one day (Wednesday 18 September 1968), wrote this song and recorded the backing track himself before the other Beatles arrived.  The others joined him later to complete it but it is not clear who played what.  But I also remember reading somewhere than John played bass on this song.

    Ringo rejoined the band on 3 September, having been absent for "Back In The USSR" and "Dear Prudence".


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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/10 22:06:51 (permalink)
    I think the coolest thing about this period in time is how they would experiment with unique sounds using what ever tools happen to be available in the room.  

    I was recently reading some previews from Kenneth Scott's new book where he mentioned that McCartney would often go to the mic locker and pull out a mic and say, "Let's try this one, I like the way it looks."  He said that it was continuous and constant experimentation with the Beatles.

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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/11 00:03:58 (permalink)
    Sounds to me like sombody is playing with guitar strings down on the bridge. Maybe with some funky reverb setting.

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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/11 00:15:06 (permalink)
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    I find it funny that they have listed Ringo playing drums on this track, I am pretty sure it was Paul playing drums, I might be wrong and I know it's suppose to be The Beatles bible but I know Mc's drum style and I am pretty sure that this was recorded in the week that Ringo quit the band.  I wish I still had my Mark Lewison book.

    According to Lewisohn, Paul arrived early to the studio one day (Wednesday 18 September 1968), wrote this song and recorded the backing track himself before the other Beatles arrived.  The others joined him later to complete it but it is not clear who played what.  But I also remember reading somewhere than John played bass on this song.

    Ringo rejoined the band on 3 September, having been absent for "Back In The USSR" and "Dear Prudence".

    Yea thats my understanding of this track, if your wording is correct then Paul def played drums on this track.  As I say you can tell Pauls drumming from Ringo's, those snare rolls def sound like Mc's.  Also I remember that fact about Lennon, it was a lot of The Twotles on The White Album.
     
    As I say as the passage of time continues history becomes a little muddled.
     
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/11 01:23:28 (permalink)

    Andy Babiuk in his book "The Beatles Gear" quotes Mal Evans:

    The curious sound which someone suggested was like an electric harpsichord is, in fact, a carefully prepared upright piano played by Paul-"prepared" to give it a very special sound with reverberation, wow-wow and technical things like that. 

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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/11 01:45:48 (permalink)

    According to David Quantock in his book "Revolution, The Making of the Beatles White Album", credits for Birthdays are as follows:

    Paul McCartney: lead vocals, piano
    John Lennon: lead vocals, lead guitar, backing vocals
    George Harrison: bass
    Ringo Starr: drums
    Yoko Ono: backing vocals
    Patti Harrison: backing vocals

    This website mostly agrees:
    http://www.thebeatlesonli...s/beatles_birthday.htm

    Neither of these authors have stated the source of their info though.
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/11 02:43:40 (permalink)
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    According to David Quantock in his book "Revolution, The Making of the Beatles White Album", credits for Birthdays are as follows:

    Paul McCartney: lead vocals, piano
    John Lennon: lead vocals, lead guitar, backing vocals
    George Harrison: bass
    Ringo Starr: drums
    Yoko Ono: backing vocals
    Patti Harrison: backing vocals

    This website mostly agrees:
    http://www.thebeatlesonline.com/pages/beatles_birthday.htm

    Neither of these authors have stated the source of their info though.

    You might be right, I can't find any evidence, although I was sure I read in The Complete Beatles Recording, that this was the case.  As I say it's a pity I don't have a copy, FOOL!! I think I do actually have an ileagal copy somewhere on one of my hard drives leave it with me and I will hunt it down tommorow, this is gold that book.  Man I just realized I do have a copy as I writing this, after I did my Beatles project, for my Masters.
     
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    Re:Beatles BIRTHDAY ending 2012/06/11 03:08:25 (permalink)
    I have the Complete Betales by Lewishom as well and he doesn't really say who played what. He does mention Mal Evans helped out with the handclaps though.
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