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2012/06/10 20:55:50 (permalink)

Drag drum grooves into Sonar X1 LE - beats get scrambled (tempo mismatch?)

I have seen many tutorials where someone opens a softsynth drumkit (ezdrummer, or even the one that comes with SONAR X1 LE), selects a groove, and just drags and drops it into SONAR. When I try to do this, the beat that I get is wildly different from what it is supposed to be. For example, it should sound like this: xIxIxIxI But instead it sounds like this: x II xI xx I x It has something to do with the tempo because in a few cases I have been able to change the tempo and by doing so got the pattern to play properly. What is going on here??? This isn't how this is supposed to work is it? Am I missing something???? Equipment: Lenovo Core i5 w/8GB RAM Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Roland QUADcapture
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    Re:Drag drum grooves into Sonar X1 LE - beats get scrambled (tempo mismatch?) 2012/06/11 01:28:09 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum!

    Are you talking about audio or MIDI? Audio clips don't change tempo with the project unless they're acidized ones.

    In your example it looks as if hits were added, which would be strange and unheard of before.

    Using audio grooves, you must select ones that have the same tempo marking as the project, or change their tempo using Audio Snap.
     
    With MIDI loops, the mapping of the kitpieces has to match that of the software used, otherwise there might be under the same key, say, a cymbal hit in one software and a cymbal hand mute in another.
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    Re:Drag drum grooves into Sonar X1 LE - beats get scrambled (tempo mismatch?) 2012/06/11 04:56:57 (permalink)
    Thanks for your help! I am using MIDI (or at least that is my intention). Let me give you a step-by-step of what I am doing: New Project Insert > SoftSynth > SI Drumkit Check "Simple Instrument" Drum kit appears. I can audition different patterns, and if I change the tempo in SONAR it also changes in the pattern that is playing in the drumkit window. So far so good. Drag pattern name ("ELECTRONIC/POP : AGGRESSIVE") into SONAR window. Now, when I play back the pattern from the SONAR window, it is dropping beats and missing sounds... changing the tempo affects the beat that I am now hearing but it is still wrong, only wrong in a different way. ?????
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    Re:Drag drum grooves into Sonar X1 LE - beats get scrambled (tempo mismatch?) 2012/06/11 05:20:40 (permalink)
    Further info: this may be some sort of latency problem, I looked at the actual MIDI data in the Piano Roll and it appears to be correct (as best as I can tell), but all of the notes are not being played. Which notes are and are not being played changes when I change the tempo. Shouldn't all of them be getting played regardless of what I set the tempo to since this is MIDI? If this is a latency or buffering problem, how do I fix it?
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    Re:Drag drum grooves into Sonar X1 LE - beats get scrambled (tempo mismatch?) 2012/06/11 07:17:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
    I haven't used any X1 version, but in the Preferences there should be setting:" MIDI buffer..prepare using XXX ms buffers". Doubling the buffer size usually helps with randomly skipped MIDI-notes, in case that is what's happening.

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    Re:Drag drum grooves into Sonar X1 LE - beats get scrambled (tempo mismatch?) 2012/06/11 10:05:29 (permalink)
    Thanks Kalle, that did the trick! It was my playback buffers. I knew it was something simple... I'm just getting back into DAWs again after being away from them for over 10 years and alot has changed, plus I've forgotten some things and remember others differently from the way things work now...

    My next challenge is to get an Alesis QS7 fully integrated, and that was a P.I.T.A back then, I can only imagine what it's going to be like now...

    Thanks for the help!
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