jimkleban
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Sonar New Feature Request
I love SONAR... and as I convert everything over to the SONAR platform, I realized that I have given up a feature that was super neat on the CREAMWARE SCOPE platform.
This feature has to do with audio routing... I can duplicate the following in SONAR but it isn't very elegant and it is hard to trace the audio paths but it goes something like this...
I was able to create mixing boards in SCOPE whose output could be sent to another mixing board. I used these SUB MIXING boards as just that... I would route all the drum kit pieces to this SUB MIXER... work on the mix there and then route it's outputs to the main mixer... I did this for all of the logical parts of a mix. I work with elaborate keyboard rigs and would like to do a submix of the keys as well.
Like I said, I can recreate this routing in SONAR but it gets confusing to keep track of all the STEMS and SENDS/RETURNS. Would be nice if SONAR allow you to create sub mixers for this same purpose. Now, somebody here is probably going to tell me it is already there which would be great if you tell where and how to implement the sub mixer model.
Thanks,
Jim
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 15:26:21
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 15:44:41
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Why not use Sonar's bussing structure?
I route all of my drums to a drum bus, guitars to a guitar bus and so on.
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 15:54:39
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Busses and folders. Folders and busses... oh my. BTW, I absolutely LOVE the folder option in Sonar.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 17:31:23
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Put a volume control and a width control on a folder and that would be very cool. One of the features that I like about Reaper.
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jimkleban
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 20:14:58
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Not the same.. I do use FOLDERS and BUSSES but it is not the same as going to a sub mixer or GROUP on a PRO desk and having all the drums right there and your send is the like the BUSS OUTPUT... you send the submix to a couple of channels and you have instant mixing capability.
I know that from an audio point of view the busses are doing the same thing but things get a bit out of order by not having GROUPS of CHANNELS, separated from the other GROUPS of CHANNELS...
I just remember how nice this was with the CREAMWARE stuff... it was a lot more straight forward.. things in SONAR tend to get lost in masses, if you know what I mean.
How hard can it be to implement these groups of sub mixes?
Jim
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 20:45:07
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But that's the thing. If you create a folder with all the tracks you want to go to your "separate mixer" and route them to a bus it should all be organized the way you seem to want. You just won't have a separate console GUI which is what I think you are talking about. Maybe there is a plugin that you could apply to all those tracks to send it to to get that GUI but that seems like it would cause problems if that plugin added (or removed) anything to the sound. IDK... this seems more of a GUI/workflow issue. It reminds me of when I tried to set up a little mixer in front of me live that I could control my guit and the bands vocals and sent that to the main board. It didn't work all that well... but that was analog equipment. Nothing wrong with stems. Anyway... there are tons of things I wish Sonar would do differently based on my past DAW usage (like having a volume automation nodule that pops up like the fade nodules... WTH?) but different platforms have different ways of doing things. I'd just figure out how to achieve what you are attempting with what X1 has been designed to do (and not do). Cheers.
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/11 21:56:52
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I use to own three Creamware cards, in their day they were the best DSP cards in the biz, not the best specs mind you but they were one of the first to be able to print with effects and were excellent if you were considering using it as a live rig.
The ability to add mixers to mixers is a little convoluted, unless you are setting up multiple mixes otherwise it's no different to setting up different sub buss's. It would probably be nice to be able to group the buss's somehow but hey thats the way the cookie crumbles.
It's a pity Creamware now Sonic-Cores X-Cite never really took off and it was so expensice, it beat UAD's new offering by years and even though the emulation market is cool. Creamwares effects were always different and top notch and on top of that they did have synth emualations as well.
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/12 13:03:05
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Do not use sends. For example lets use drums. Rout the actual Track outputs (not sends) to a drum buss.
Leave the drum buss at 0
Mix using the tracks with drum buss at 0.
Now rout the drum buss to the Master Buss.
Now you can adjust the overal level of drums by moving the drum buss fader. You can hide the actual drum tracks and just look at the busses.
Simple. It accomplished your sub-mix scenario. And if you need to see how things are routed at any time, then hold down your ALT key and click on any buss or track. All associated routings will be high-lighted in blue. This allows you to easily see your routings.
SONAR has it all covered. No problem.
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jimkleban
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Re:Sonar New Feature Request
2012/06/12 19:04:25
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Slyvan, that's a good idea. However, as example, I use 3 different software VSTi's for drum kit... I keep the VSTi's in their own folder... when I go to mix drums, I have to dance all over the TRACKS in CONSOLE view....
Would love to have them all grouped together and still have them organized in TRACK view in folders by VST's to keep the plugins outputs together.
Can't have it both ways...
Now, if there was a small mixer that could take it's input from any track(s)... this would give me the best of both worlds.
I appreciate your help here and I probably am not describing this feature request properly. To me, this would be a no brainer solution...
Even if I could hit a button and only those tracks assigned to a CONSOLE group become visible and grouped on the screen together... (the console group is defined by the user)... would provide the same functionality without a sub mixer feature... sort of like a virtual sub mixer within the virtual mixing desk of SONAR. Then you could disable the CONSOLE VIEW group and all of your tracks would come back. You could have more than one other group of tracks into a CONSOLE VIEW group.. say.. ONE FOR DRUMS, ONE FOR GUITARS, ONE for KEYBOARDS... etc...
Make my workflow much more productive. Wait, I want the channel name to be in the title bar of plugins first... then this view grouping feature.
Jim
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