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2012/06/12 17:34:14 (permalink)

Midi Recording

Around 5 years ago, I had a Korg PA-80 arranger keyboard, which outputs 16 tracks of midi from its styles (Channel 10 for drums, etc.).  I had wanted to record my arrangements into Sonar, with each 16 tracks recording MIDI, and discovered that to my surprise, I couldn't separate the inputs for some reason (I forget now what it was, but it was extremely frustrating) Anyway I sold the PA-80.
 
I just purchased a Korg MicroArranger (same animal, smaller size) and would like to try again.  I guess I need to know if there are any "gotchas" to doing it with Sonar producer (I just need to know if it can be done, I can RTFM, but it will save me a time if someone here can give me a warm fuzzy feeling first...
 
(I would assign a separate Midi Channel to a track, etc.. I want the Drum channel to record Midi notes, as usual, and assign a drum kit to it for playback, assign different instrumements to the MIDI inputs, etc.)
 
I can't imagine that one wouldn't be able to do this, but for some reason I couldn't before, so I just want to check with someone else's experience first....
 
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    Re:Midi Recording 2012/06/12 18:18:16 (permalink)
    Take a read on the web about midi.. distinguish between ports and channels, and notice that a type 0 file places all channel information in a single track, whereas a type 1 has the information split into separate channels..I suspect at the time you used input midi = omni during record... or alternatively, transferred a file into sonar rather than recording from the arranger.

    If you are receiving a performance or information from a source, be it a synth, keyboard or arranger, whether or not the information goes into a single or multiple tracks is purely a matter of setting up the recording parameters for your midi tracks... so just ensure that each track is recording a single channel and you will be fine...




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    Re:Midi Recording 2012/06/12 18:35:42 (permalink)
    I understand midi, and that is the way it is supposed to work;and I wasn't using omni. It was totally unexpected to me, and that is why I'm posting now.....  One port should be able to handle 16 channels...
    I confirmed with t/s that it was a Sonar "gotcha" issue (as I remember); I'll have to look back in the past and see if I can find the posts so I can be more precise

    This is just a first cut to see if anyone else actually tried it and it worked for them as expected (or didn't)..



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    Re:Midi Recording 2012/06/12 19:38:05 (permalink)
    I know this isn't exactly what you are looking for - but why aren't you using Sonar as you arranger instead of whatever is built into the synth? I'm sure Sonar is much more powerful, and (as you note) you kinda got to get it in there anyway!
     
    Have you tried recording one track at a time?
    Can the Korg dump a midi file into your computer that you can import into Sonar?
     
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    Re:Midi Recording 2012/06/12 20:04:06 (permalink)
     
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    I know this isn't exactly what you are looking for - but why aren't you using Sonar as you arranger instead of whatever is built into the synth? I'm sure Sonar is much more powerful, and (as you note) you kinda got to get it in there anyway!
     
    Have you tried recording one track at a time?
    Can the Korg dump a midi file into your computer that you can import into Sonar?
     
    Brian
    The KMA is not just a synth; it has styles and accompaniments, as well as intelligent chord recognition, and is much faster for creating backing tracks (and re-editing them). Basically, I want to increase its sounds, however, by using it with my own drumkits and sounds from Dimension Pro, etc...

    There are all sorts of things you can do with it that you can't do in Sonar, especially in real time....
    (I really regretted selling my PA-80 at the time....)




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    Re:Midi Recording 2012/06/13 01:45:08 (permalink)
    If you select the input port and channel on a midi track it will only record that channel on that track. I haven't done it in a while but used to with an old Casio keyboard I have.

    If you want to trigger different synths from those channels in real time though it may be a different story. I did try this a while ago while experimenting for Jeff Evans regarding dropouts and glitches while doing that. I didn't get glitches but I did get some strange results with playback sounds at the time.

    Everything recorded perfectly but the bass synth was playing a piano line (for example). I'm not sure if that's still the case or not. It's not a way I work usually.

    If you explain exactly what you want to do I'll try it out for you. The old Casio will playback it's own sounds on different channels in real time so I can monitor that way and as I said it will record those channels back onto separately assigned MIDI tracks without trouble. The problem may come monitoring those tracks if they are assigned to different synths.

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