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2012/06/19 19:11:46 (permalink)

I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, when..

Ok..  This is not a bug.  This is me being new to Sonar.


I'm having a problem with the routing.  I've got my Rewire Setup working, and I've got my synths working in the Rack.  And when I arm the tracks for Record, I get nothing!  Nada!

What am I doing wrong?  How do I route my synths to audio tracks.  How do I make audio parts of Synth in Racks, and Rewire Instruments?


Also...   Feel free to post your thoughts on using the sends and returns.  ( That is an entirely different subject, but definitely my next question. )
post edited by Linear Phase - 2012/06/19 19:40:44

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    Guitarpima
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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/19 21:20:07 (permalink)
    Create a new audio track and set the "input" of the track you just created with the output of the synth. The input would read, "(synth output something)" in the new audio track.

    I think this is what your asking.

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/19 21:25:20 (permalink)
    You need to use a MIDI track and set the output of the MIDI track to the softsynth, 

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/19 22:38:15 (permalink)
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    Create a new audio track and set the "input" of the track you just created with the output of the synth. The input would read, "(synth output something)" in the new audio track.

    I think this is what your asking.

    HTH

    K..  I totally appreciate the help.  I tried this suggestion...  And as seen in this photo, the arm record button, has now disappeared.  So..  what do I do next?


    Basically, I have two Dimension Pro's, being fed with separate midi tracks.  I'd like to record the audio in Sonar, and I'd like the audio from each synth to be recorded on its own audio track.  I do not want to render the audio..  How do I do this?


    I know..  I have troubles expressing myself with written language.  Thanks bro




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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/19 22:42:12 (permalink)
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    You need to use a MIDI track and set the output of the MIDI track to the softsynth, 

    I'm not sure thats it..   I already have my synths getting information from midi, and their own internal sequencers.  I'd like to record the audio of synths, that are being hosted in my Rewire Slave, and synths in my Sonar Rack...   I'd like each output, from my multi-out synths, to be recorded on its very own audio track.  







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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/19 23:07:47 (permalink)
    what you rewiring ? ableton ? reason ? 

    with reason u can control the midi from sonar.. as the audio.. but you have to chuck the audio outs into a mixer in sonar *NOT* just the main out.

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/19 23:10:21 (permalink)
    What he is saying is:

    Midi track - output to synth

    Synth output as I described earlier.

    The only way to record audio is to bounce the midi and synth track output. If your audio interface can record "what you hear" or, sometimes called "wave in", you can do it by soloing the tracks you want to record and set another audio track so you can record either of those input options, if you have them.

    If you have enough computer, just let the synth play rather than record them. Unless your after some crazy effect where you need to reverse the track why bother?

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/20 00:06:09 (permalink)
    Select the MIDI track and its associated softsynth track (hold down CTRL and click the track #). Then Edit-Bounce to Tracks and that will create an audio track. 

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/20 00:47:12 (permalink)
    Guys, ok..  Cool.  I totally understand now.  I see all my options, and am getting a feel for them.

    @ Fog, Renoise

    @ Guitarpima, thanks for the help.  makes a lot of sense.

    @ daveny5, thanks for the help.  also, makes a lot of sense.


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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/22 00:40:55 (permalink)
    Generally speaking to get the fast path for what Linear Phase was asking I'm like Mr. Freeze. I love the freeze function since it produces the audio wave file and takes the soft synth out of the CPU all in a fast bounce whammo.  So that's my go to suggestion.

    However, I have a tip that might come in handy for someone searching for the words I'm about to note. Last night I was using Garritan Personal Orchestra, the full version. I really like the Steinway piano on that and the options for sustain and room settings/ambience.  Had a good piano piece using the foot pedal which comes across nicely on playback while still in midi mode. We decided to bounce the right and left hand to separate audio tracks to allow for using Clip Automation to bring down the volume for one hand or the other in certain parts to accentuate it just right. In order to do that I cloned the midi piano track and wiped out right hand notes in one and left hand notes in the other.

    I used Freeze. It didn't bring across the sustain pedal at all. Okay I learned even when playing with freeze options and even trying audible bounce that it wouldn't capture the sustain pedal effects. 

    So I switched to bounce to track. That worked great for the bass clef ( left hand). The right hand melody still didn't have the pedal with that approach either. Then I tried cloning the left hand midi track and wiping out the notes, but leaving the pedal marks. Then I pasted in the right hand melody notes into that track, and then bounced it to audio. It came across just right with that method.

    Then I had two audio tracks, the left and right hand, and I used Clip Automation as planned to add some really nice volume accenting between the hands in different parts of the piano solo piece. It sounds great!

    Now I know to hang on to those pedal marks in my midi tracks... They work!

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/22 02:58:41 (permalink)

    @ lawajava

    I think that my audio needs, are for re-sampling, cross-fading, nudging, and other edits.  So I am not sure if Freezing, is going to work.  Not to mention that I really have to watch my levels when recording the samples....
    but, thank you mate...

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/22 16:26:34 (permalink)
    Linear Phase - I do all the edits that you mention as well. Try this if you haven't already. Freeze one of your soft synth tracks ( right click the track and select Freeze). Then you get the blue frozen track with the audio in it, correct?  Add an audio track. Copy the frozen track and paste it in the new audio track. Mute the frozen track.

    Now because the synth is frozen you've taken it out of the CPU and you can still go back to it as needed by unfreezing. And now you've also got an audio track you can go nuts on with edits - and you won't lose those edits if you unfreeze the original.






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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/22 20:47:59 (permalink)
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    Linear Phase - I do all the edits that you mention as well. Try this if you haven't already. Freeze one of your soft synth tracks ( right click the track and select Freeze). Then you get the blue frozen track with the audio in it, correct?  Add an audio track. Copy the frozen track and paste it in the new audio track. Mute the frozen track.

    Now because the synth is frozen you've taken it out of the CPU and you can still go back to it as needed by unfreezing. And now you've also got an audio track you can go nuts on with edits - and you won't lose those edits if you unfreeze the original.

    No way!  Ok...  I try that this weekend.  Totally radical

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/22 21:31:56 (permalink)
    +1.   
     
    Copying the frozen audio clip to a new audio track is a great way to do all kinds of weird stuff without ever affecting the original synth track.  You could even do multiple unfreeze/freeze/copy/paste operations to have multiple (and potentially different) versions of the original.  Or take the copied audio clip and groove clip/audio-snap it, add different plugins, etc.   Or... have a copy of the original version playing along with some tweaked out copies for some neat phase/modulation results.  Quite entertaining stuff.  
     

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/23 01:40:54 (permalink)
    Don't forget you always have the option of freezing the synth as opposed to freezing the track.

    The benefit of this is that your Fx bin doesn't get frozen and remains "live" throughout the process.

    If you even need to tweak the Midi, simply unfreeze the synth, make your edits and re-freeze.

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    Re:I'm stuck on the routing. Why can't I record the synths on their own audio tracks, whe 2012/06/23 10:03:04 (permalink)
    This is working out really nicely.  Thanks guys..

    My one question might be.. "when freezing synths or rewire instruments with multiple outs..  is there a way to select which outputs freeze?"

    LOL..  getting a few tracks mixing down for no reason..  like if a synth has 30 outs, and I'm only using two or three...


    Other than that... The freezing idea is awesome.  Thanks

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