It really has kind of strayed a tad dinnit? 


But let me just say a couple of things to this. Being raised in a Christian home as I was we were taught to be tolerant of all view points..even those we were against. My own view on the lyrics mentioned  paints a pretty morose picture of certain types of people that, in my view, are not typical of many in those fields. 


Besides...how dare we, who call ourselves Christian, say what God can, or cannot use, in His creation?


Second thing...I have been hammered with all manner of health issues of recent vintage..including a bone cancer thing I am now engaged with. The doctors I have working with me are all hard working and dedicated to this field...and none of them can be claimed to be 'perverts in our schools'.

Hey Danny look I'm listening and I hope we can put all the **** behind us. We both have opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Art is subjective. I feel though u judge me on one particular song that yes I should have fixed. 

The one thing we can agree on is leave Philip alone, I'm sorry I went into battle mode with John but its Philip he's having a go at and for some reason I feel pretty protective over him. Same with the song forum and pistole Pete. 

I will listen to you and take on board what u say if u can do the same with me. I'd prefer to work with u than against u. 

Peace ben. 

BenMMusTech


Hey Danny look I'm listening and I hope we can put all the **** behind us. We both have opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Art is subjective. I feel though u judge me on one particular song that yes I should have fixed. 

The one thing we can agree on is leave Philip alone, I'm sorry I went into battle mode with John but its Philip he's having a go at and for some reason I feel pretty protective over him. Same with the song forum and pistole Pete. 

I will listen to you and take on board what u say if u can do the same with me. I'd prefer to work with u than against u. 

Peace ben. 

Yeah bravo here as well, and that's a good deal you've offered that I'll take you up on. It's not that I don't like you, Ben....please don't ever think that. Your passion is insurmountable...that's a plus and no one can ever take that away from a person. However, I'd just like to see some of the stuff you say delivered differently if possible and if you are in need of help on something, don't be afraid to ask instead of playing the "I've mastered this" card, know what I mean? I can really help you as can others mate....but you have to allow us to without being offended or pushing us to the point of using some of the things you say against you. No one wants to do that including me.
 
It's like...and I don't mean to drum up the past, but I remember you were in need of comments and Yoyo went out on a limb to tell you how it really was from a professional view. He's a pretty respected member and doesn't comment in depth on everything that gets put out on here. I felt he was blunt, but was honest and I felt the same as he did. Well, you didn't take to it too well and I can understand that feeling as I too sometimes get defensive with "my babies". But there comes a time where when we get feedback from credible people that are putting out really good stuff, that they can really help us and continue to give us feedback as long as we are accepting of it, know what I mean? I would be willing to bet you may not hear from Yoyo again due to him not wanting to get into an arguement with you. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend you...but like him, I shared his views.
 
It was like "well I have this degree, that degree, mastered this, and great at this" and well, honest man, it just sounded bad to hear over and over. So we decide to check out this guy speaking all this stuff and when what we hear doesn't match the passion in the text, it makes it sound more like ego than talent. Can you understand where I'm coming from? I also chimed in there and was overly blunt with you as well...but part of my lack of compassion was due to hearing how great you were at everything. If you would have delivered yourself in a less elite sounding approach, me or James (or anyone else that may have given you blunt and negative comments) would have never come off that way. Well, then there're Pete...lol...no one can make him compassionate...but he does have a bit of merit sometimes. :)
 
Anyway, I have no ill will towards you man. I want to see us all get along. I WANT to see you push out killer production and win people over with your art and knowledge. I also think your new personality on the forum has been great so far and hope you continue to stay this way. It totally changes peoples opinions of you fr the better...whether you care about that part or not...but I would. No one can deny your passion for this or you'd not be here. Don't ever change that...just maybe alter the way that passion gets delivered. :)
 
As for Philip, totally with you there. He's become one of my best friends over a short period of time. But that said, he's never interfered in the battles I've gotten in with others and I feel the same way. I try not to get involved with other things unless something really gets to me. Like the time I felt the need to go out of my way and address a post Pete made about Warren's tune I believe it was. I could have really got myself into a battle there...but thankfully it didn't happen. But I still felt I had to stick up for Warren on that because I thought ole Pete was just way too abrasive in that situation. Same pretty much with what he said on your tune...but he was way less abrasive there, then lost his way again. LOL! I think that guy is one of our regular forum members taking the p!ss if you want my honest opinion. I can almost feel who it is...but can't quite place him. LOL!
 
Well, keep up the good work Ben. Sorry if anything I've ever said to you offended you. Sometimes MY passion gets the best of me...but even with some of my negativity towards you, I've always tried to give some helpful advice as well...so it's not like I've been sitting here hating you or hoping you fail in anything. As a matter of fact, truth ne told...when you were going through your tough times, I kept you in my prayers as I do all the forum people that are having hard times. We may argue, fuss and fight, but at the end of the day, I wouldn't turn my back on anyone from this forum that pm'd me in need of help or had a problem no matter how heated we may have gotten in the past. All the best brother...*hugs*
 
-Danny

Philip
@ Danny: There are serious dark forces slinging around that only a few understand. You've not offended me. John has a soul and is in the image of God ... just like Ben and everyone else is in the image of God, IMHO. The fact that you showed him sympathy I highly admire (as do others). OTOH, It would kill me to lose your collab help and lifelong friendship. Please don't let John's slanders mar our proven friendship. Btw, your last collab, Ascension, is so awesome, I can't begin to iterate. I'll try to solicite your help this eve again ... if thats OK.

 
Thanks for the reply. No worries, you're stuck with me for life. :) When two people disagree about something, I try not to ever take sides even if both parties are friends. The only thing that would ever mess with our friendship would be the two of us deciding to part amicably. So never worry about me Philip. The friendship we share will never be decided on a forum confrontation that involves others. I would think you and I have a good enough understanding of one another to talk in private before anything like that ever came about. As I said...you're stuck with me. :) Looking forward to working with you when you are ready. :)
 
-Danny

^ Yeah, but you know the stigma with today's music? But who's to say they were/aren't doing the same thing.

Lyrics do not need to be meaningful to mean something!

Kesha, Rebecca Black, Lady Gaga, etc. 

It's that stigma though.