bacon
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Problems on recording on different partition
I've set 3 partitions on my disk for better sharing between operating systems. (I'm currently using Debian and Windows). So I asked Sonar X1 to use my data partition for the audio files, and I've finally found that my Sonar wouldn't record (only noise!) properly because of that, after trying to record on my Windows NTFS file system. My data partition is an ext4. Is there a way of making that work? Thanks in advance.
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Jeff Evans
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 00:08:44
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Totally separate drives is the way to go, not partitions. If you partition and you get a problem with the disc for any reason you will probably loose everything. Partitioning is not the way to go. Most people using DAW software for audio have at least two drives. One (and it does not need to be partitioned either) for your OS and your applications. The second drive is for your audio projects only. That way you are not putting all your eggs in one basket as they say. It will also all work better that way as well because while you are reading and writing audio to your second drive your OS and applications can access the first drive at the same time easier. Many of us have a third drive as well for large sample libraries and synth patches too. Drives are cheap so they are easy to buy and install. Most motherboards will accommodate 4 drives internally without much fuss.
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bacon
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 00:15:33
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Thanks for the quick reply. Will surely take that in consideration. =) While I don't have money for the second drive, is it a file system problem? Should I format it to NTFS?
post edited by bacon - 2012/06/26 00:32:38
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Jeff Evans
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 01:24:45
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Hi bacon. You might want to check this article out on this very subject. http://www.musicxp.net/hardware_tips.php From what I can see NTFS seems to be the go and it is what my drives are formatted as and I have never had any audio problems with this format. You may loose data if you are on FAT 32 and need to change over so some backing up may be required.
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 03:41:28
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Hey bacon, I use separate drives for 2x OS, Audio, Plugins. All are NTFS and all work correctly without any problems.
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 06:57:31
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Not sure I understand what's going on here. Are you trying to record audio from Sonar onto an ext4 file system? If so it's not exactly surprising it doesn't work given that ext4 isn't a native Windows file system. Use NTFS. By the way - in my opinion it is worthwhile partitioning. The outer area of a disc has a higher rotational speed than the inner area, which means sequential reads/writes are faster (higher bit rate) at the outer edges and tail off towards the inner area of the platters. Using the first third or half of the drive as the partition for things you want highest read/write access to (like streaming audio) gives a significant speed advantage. Download HDTach and run it on your Windows partitions/drives and you'll see what I mean. It's also worthwhile putting the swap file in a small partition right at the start of the drive. If your drive has the kind of irrecoverable problems that result in losing an entire partition (e.g. loss of the master file table) you'd have lost the data regardless of how the drive was configured. On the other hand I have once or twice lost a single partition but been able to recover the data from the rest of the drive.
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 07:37:09
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You should use seperate drives and NOT seperate partitions because... 1. A single HDD has one set of read/write heads, they can not read from two or more sections of the disk at once. 2. Using multiple HDDs you get a set of R/W heads for EACH HDD. Not only does this mean you can access multiple files simultaneously, but the total data transfer speed goes up with each HDD you add. Total speed is them limited by the controler, not the HDD. 3. Two 500Gb drives linked as a striped pair will give faster data transfer than a single 1Tb drive.
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 07:54:56
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While Bacon has a budget issue, the straightforward answer, already given above, is, yes, reformat to NTFS. At some point in the future, as budget allows, other options become available. I am currently experimenting with storing projects on my USB3 external 1Tb drive and I do not envisage any issues with that. I have also tried recording and playing back, at the same time, across a windows home network... it works, although it would probably become a bit strained once the number of audio tracks increase. Actually, as I read back what I am typing here, perhaps I should search for a different topic, because I've got a hundred and one questions about project audio storage options too...
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/26 11:11:38
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You should use seperate drives and NOT seperate partitions Personally I use two drives - but the drives are also partitioned. Two 500Gb drives linked as a striped pair will give faster data transfer than a single 1Tb drive. I used RAID 0 for many years but don't any more as the speed boost with modern drives/SATA chips isn't really worth the risks of data loss or the hassle of having to replace the pair if a single disc fails. Again, in my opinion. RAID 0 (and for reads only RAID 1) does still give some speed increase, though RAID 0 only makes the second half of the array approximate the front half of one of the drives used stand-alone at best. Without partitioning Windows will write to anywhere on the array, so even with RAID 0 partitioning has its uses to maximise data throughput. Speed tests I ran some time ago indicated the benefits of RAID 0 with modern SATA drives are far less than with previous technologies, especially if the data drive is partitioned such that is uses its outer sectors for streaming. In my experience though the SATA chip on the motherboard then starts to become a limiting factor. I guess the ideal would be six drives arranged as three RAID 0 pairs with a meticulous backup strategy, all drives "short stroked" to only use the first 50% of their capacity (or the second half used for storing backups and stuff you don't need to access "at speed"), plus enough SATA interfaces to handle the data flow at peak. Mind you, the resulting PC would be noisy and need a hefty psu unless the drives are SSDs, in which case any speed boosts from RAID become unnecessary in the real world (and I strongly suspect the SATA interface itself would be overloaded before the drive throughput was maxed out). As I said though, this is all just my opinion, but it is based on some empirical research.
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/06/27 04:41:09
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Re:Problems on recording on different partition
2012/07/02 21:00:01
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Thank'yall! Gonna format it to NTFS for now. I dont know where to backup my 122gb stuff, though. =)
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