nickl23
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Sending Tracks
Hi everyone. I'm here hoping that you guys can give me some good advice - as so many of you have kindly done in the past. I'm in project where tracks are being recorded in a relatively good quality environment (vocal chain is a U87 through an Avalon 737sp to disk, for example) - but nonetheless, certainly not a commercial quality studio and CERTAINLY not a commercial quality engineer (he said humbly - and accurately). The project is going to take these fairly unprocessed tracks and send them to a very high end studio to be mixed by a vey high end engineer. I'm quite aware that I'm out of my depth here quailty-wise, but that notwithstanding, as far as efficiency, I need to know the best and most effective method of providing him with a fairly comprehensive set of tracks - broken down to the level of: "Dbl Tracked Harmony Vocal Left", "Dbl Tracked Harmony Vocal Right" etc. - not completely down to the core tracks, but pretty close. No compression, no effects etc. So, my question is this: what is the best and most effective way to transport these as wav files (I'm using SONAR Prducer, he's using ProTools) between systems? I'm figuring that if I export audio to a disc, assuming that all the tracks start from zero and the tempos of both systems are set to match, then uploading the wav files one at a time from a disk should sync them in his system - no? (please feel free to let me know if I am operating under some insanely erroneous premise - it would not be the first time). I need to develop a process of transporting these files in a way that is going to work best for him and would greatly apreciate any suggestions and help you can give as to the best way to accomplish this. Thanks - as always.
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perfectprint
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 00:44:58
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ctrl a > file > export > individual tracks. choose the sample rate and bit depth they were recorded at (no dithering) and deselect fx and bus effects. he should be able to drop these wave files into PT and have them all line up. just try it out yourself on your own system (importing into a blank session) to get a feel for what is going on.
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SToons
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 03:47:54
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As perfectprint wrote, Ctrl-A, File>export>. For file type choose Broadcast Wave (time-stamped). Chennel format should be "Multichannel". Sample Rate and Bit Depth should match the project settings. For "Mix Enables" you have to use your jusgement. You may want to exclude FX, for example, but you may want to include Mute/Solo, Automation etc. or you may have clipping in files depending on how gain stages are structured. Only you know how the project is set up. Be sure to enable Fast Bounce and 64 bit engine unless you want to hear the results as they are exported (to listen for clipping etc..) in which case disable Fast Bounce and enable Audible Bounce. You probably don't need Audible Bounce as you should load each wave in an editor or back into Sonar to be sure no clipping occured among other things.
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SToons
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 03:49:53
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Sorry, tried to edit and got an "edited repost"... As perfectprint wrote, Ctrl-A, File>export>. For File Type choose Broadcast Wave (time-stamped). This should allow the Protools user to import the tracks to the exact place in time as the original files were in your project. Channel format should be "Multichannel". Sample Rate and Bit Depth should match the project settings. For "Mix Enables" you have to use your judgement. You may want to exclude FX, for example, but you may want to include Mute/Solo, Automation etc. or you may have clipping in files depending on how gain stages are structured. Only you know how the project is set up. Be sure to enable Fast Bounce and 64 bit engine unless you want to hear the results as they are exported (to listen for clipping etc..) in which case disable Fast Bounce and enable Audible Bounce. You probably don't need Audible Bounce as you should load each wave in an editor or back into Sonar once exported to be sure no clipping occured among other things.
post edited by SToons - 2012/06/27 03:56:29
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nickl23
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 10:46:24
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Thanks so much for the direction. I will be giving a try later today. I really appreciate the help.
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 12:05:58
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Contact the engineer that is mixing it for you. Hell have the best way for you to send them to him. Cj
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 12:59:09
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CJaysMusic Contact the engineer that is mixing it for you. Hell have the best way for you to send them to him. Cj yup.... ask first... then send what is asked for...exactly.
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SToons
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 15:47:54
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Guitarhacker CJaysMusic Contact the engineer that is mixing it for you. Hell have the best way for you to send them to him. Cj yup.... ask first... then send what is asked for...exactly. Agreed. Still, you have to know -how- to give the engineer what he asks for.
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/27 21:18:45
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Agreed. Still, you have to know -how- to give the engineer what he asks for.
And he should be asking his engineer, as he will explain it to him over the phone or in an email. I do it all the time. Each engineer like different things. It also probasly stated on the engineers studio website. He needs to ask his engineer. We don't know what his engineer prefers Cj
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nickl23
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/28 17:48:53
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OK - further direction needed (sorry). I am up to the point of exporting the tracks to CD. Time-Stamped, individual tracks etc. I get a message window confirming that the program will create the tracks (it lists them) but when I press "Yes" I get one of two messages: either a " Process was not completed due to internal error" message or "Rendering was not complete. Do you wish to save the partially rendered audio". In my menu, the whole project (30 tracks) only shows as 1,263 KB. There's no FX, no panning, no automation involved. What am I doing wrong? thanks
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SToons
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/28 17:55:11
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nickl23 OK - further direction needed (sorry). I am up to the point of exporting the tracks to CD. Time-Stamped, individual tracks etc. I get a message window confirming that the program will create the tracks (it lists them) but when I press "Yes" I get one of two messages: either a " Process was not completed due to internal error" message or "Rendering was not complete. Do you wish to save the partially rendered audio". In my menu, the whole project (30 tracks) only shows as 1,263 KB. There's no FX, no panning, no automation involved. What am I doing wrong? thanks You might want to allow it to save the "partially rendered audio". Then it should be possible to sort it what is or isn't getting processed and why. Certainly a reasonable way to start. You can always delete them after so no harm done. You might also want to post a screen shot or specific details of -every- field you have checked/entered in the Export dialog. Now CJays Music will understand why I wrote "Still, you have to know -how- to give the engineer what he asks for. " :-)
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nickl23
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/28 18:40:36
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Now I'm not even getting the "render" message just "An internal error has occurred. The operation was unsuccessful"
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SToons
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Re:Sending Tracks
2012/06/28 21:10:41
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nickl23 Now I'm not even getting the "render" message just "An internal error has occurred. The operation was unsuccessful" Yikes. Try selecting a single track and Exporting it. It it works try another, if it doesn't work try another to see if the issue is from one, some or all tracks. Obviously this isn't what you normally have to do but hopefully if you can sort out the issue it won''t happen in the future. Have you closed and re-opened the project in this time? (No, I'm not recommending it one way or the other, just asking). You might want to save a backup as well in case something happens.
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