New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS

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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/01 16:44:23 (permalink)
If I'm in desktop mode, then let me click the start buttoning the desktop (which has now been removed or moved, depending on your perspective); don't force me into metro then back again.  Making me  mouse all over a large screen just to gt to these things is painful.  Yes, there might be shortcuts but I didn't have to deal with this before so why force me now. And if I'm in metro mode then let me change all my settings and stick within metro mode.  Don't dump me into this weird dialog box when my brain was in the cleaner "dumb down" metro mode.



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This is the thing which is bad about the new interface. They chose a one size fits all approach for all tasks. When you are using a PC (or even a tablet/laptop for that matter) in content creation mode, its a completely different workflow. This is where the Metro paradigm falls down since its not really well suited to that in its current form. I would have preferred to not be forced back and forth between the two. It would have been far simpler if it was a user choice. It seems like MS wanted to force people to use Metro.

BTW in case its not clear from my article, I'm not against the tablet paradigm at all. My objections to metro were from the point of view of its limitations as a platform for Music apps in its current form. And the fact that its function on a desktop PC is pretty limited without interop between desktop applications. Otherwise Win 8 running on a tablet sounds great to me. I have been a relatively early tablet adopter. I chose an android tablet since I wanted to get something more flexible than an IPad. Sadly I've had a pretty horrid experience with Android's latest OS so the Win8 tablet solution (not Metro) is looking very attractive to me at this point. I really want something that can replace a laptop, and cant justify having two devices, so an OS that can do both high powered desktop apps as well as content consumption app's looks pretty attractive to me.

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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/01 17:38:32 (permalink)
So will Cakewalk further diversify its offerings by producing dumbed down versions for mobile devices? IK's latest offering of iSlash stuff is $10 for the tablet version and $80 for the PC version. A little probing reveals that the tablet version is limited in many ways and should really be called iSlash lite. I don't see why they don't offer a PC version of the lite product for $10, but they don't.

I fear we're in for a transition period where we don't really know what we're getting. Windows 8 sounds like a prime example. What happens to the windows certification program? Does it split into dual versions of apps that are certified for Metro OR Desktop, or does it cause software vendors to designed dumbed down programs certified for Metro AND Desktop?

We live in interesting times.

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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/01 17:43:49 (permalink)
That's it. I have had enough dumbing down of PCs. I'm off to Mac where they are not obsessed by iSoftware. :)
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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/01 18:08:16 (permalink)
What happens to the windows certification program? Does it split into dual versions of apps that are certified for Metro OR Desktop, or does it cause software vendors to designed dumbed down programs certified for Metro AND Desktop?



Nothing changes for desktop applications. For Metro you can't release an app unless it goes through the Windows App Store (AFIK). So implicitly it must be certified.

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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/01 19:08:09 (permalink)
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So what exactly will I be able to do on a Win8 tablet that I can't already do on an iPad 1, 2, 3? Uh, that would be nothing. 

Except plug in a USB midi controller and soundcard. Not that big of a deal huh.
And do exactly what with those in the Metro environment? No Midi. 100ms audio. Your USB audio and MIDI devices are useless in Metro.
 
We're talking about Metro here, people, not Win8. Metro Metro Metro. Oh, useless Metro, whatfore art thou, Metro?
 

 
The Intel Based Tablets like the Surface Pro will have the desktop option so no one has to stay in Metro Mode.
And thats how you can do alot more than any iPad.
 
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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/01 21:30:52 (permalink)
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    The Intel Based Tablets like the Surface Pro will have the desktop option so no one has to stay in Metro Mode. 
And thats how you can do alot more than any iPad.
 

You're making my point for me, but you don't realize it. Windows RT/Metro is no competition for iOS because of the music-related stuff you won't be able to do with it…  


Windows RT == Windows running on ARM-based (like the iPad) tablets


Windows 8 == Windows running on desktops, laptops, Intel-based tablets == FULL-BLOWN WINDOWS.


Two totally different things, and it seems like you're intentionally trying to blur the line between the two. Windows 8 (i.e., full-blown Windows) running on a Intel-based tablet is, like I said, the equivalent of Windows running on a thin laptop… the difference is no keyboard (presumably, or some flip out thing or whatever), and a multi-touch screen bolted on backwards.


An Intel-based table running full-blown Windows potentially gives you head and tails more capability than either an ARM-based iPad or an ARM-based Windows RT tablet (considering raw compute power and potential expandability)… In fact that would be like comparing, oh I don't know, a MacBook Air to an iPad. Apples and oranges. 


Similarly, Windows RT (not Windows 8 aka full-blown windows) running on an ARM-based tablet is NOT THE SAME as Windows 8 (aka full-blown Windows) running on an Intel-based tablet. 


Apples and oranges, so please don't tell me "Windows 8 running on a tablet" is as powerful as iOS running on on an iPad, because you're blurring the line between ARM-based and Intel-based products and associated OS versions:


* Windows 8 on an Intel tablet -- yes, potentially much more powerful than an iPad, in fact (assuming it's not an Atom-based job, but something running substantial CPU, like an Ivy Bridge Core i5 or whatever, perhaps with a couple of accessible DIMM slots)... you could run an entire DAW on one, Kontakt, SONY Vegas, Pro Tools, Lightwave, whatever… 


* Windows RT on an ARM tablet -- not as powerful as iPad -- broken audio, no MIDI, and Lord knows what else… certainly not millions of apps ready for download... 


From Noel's prevous comment:




BTW in case its not clear from my article, I'm not against the tablet paradigm at all. My objections to metro were from the point of view of its limitations as a platform for Music apps in its current form. And the fact that its function on a desktop PC is pretty limited without interop between desktop applications. 




If you want to compare iPad with "windows tablets" you can only compare apples to… er… apples: iOS on ARM-based iPads vs. Windows RT (w/ Metro) on ARM-based tablets.

Right now, the latter looks like a big strategic FAIL… at least if you're a music tech weenie looking for cheap, small form factor, portable music thingy.



Full-blown Windows 8 running on a Intel-based tablet is effectively the technology we have today (i.e., laptops, netbooks, ultrabooks, whatever) with the addition of the multi-touch screen... and they will be priced accordingly -- the same or more than a low-/mid-range laptop… cuz, well, that's what they are.


In fact, depending on how much expansability you need, how many USB ports, etc., an ultra thin laptop for the same money as the Intel-based tablet may be the better option…

http://www.pcworld.com/ar...itial_impressions.html

Hmmm…  kinda looks like a laptop, don't it? 














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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/02 20:19:06 (permalink)
Yo Noel

What "version" of the preview did you use?
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Re:New Cakewalk Blog entry: WINDOWS 8 – A BENCHMARK FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION APPLICATIONS 2012/07/03 01:23:31 (permalink)
Just read on CNET that Windows 8 Pro upgrade (download) will be priced at $39.99 for XP and Win 7 users.

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