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Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
I'm having all sorts of problems trying to install sonar producer on a new laptop with windows 7; I'm actually testing because I don't want to move my 8.5 if there's this kind of trouble; with XP I never had any problem putting new program and keeping old stuff from earlier programs - but now all hell is breaking loose.
I have windows 7; I've installed my sonar producer 4 over my homestudio 2002 and homestudio 2; while the GS wavetable synth shows up in the homestudio, it is not there in sonar no matter how I try to get it there or do the vst adapter; likewise edirol vsc is gone; I know it's old but I found it useful if nothing else then for reference; again, with xp everything went in fine; I understand cakewalk wants me to update but I have a new computer and don't see why I can't use the old programs - has anyone had the problem with this (I think I saw a few similar threads but not this in particular) - I know there may be some security thing as well and I don't need it on this computer - but in general I want to know how to make the old programs work with 7 - I don't feel it's fair that they are just trash now - if that's the case - help is appreciated.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/02 19:04:50
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SONAR 8.5 was the first version to specifically accommodate Windows 7, fixing a number of issues specific to that O/S. You'll probably find that 8.5 won't have all the problems that you're experiencing with SONAR 4.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/02 23:25:25
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I understand cakewalk wants me to update but I have a new computer and don't see why I can't use the old programs I'm sure Cakewalk doesn't care whether you update. They continually update their product to keep up with the developments in computer hardware and software. However, if you decide to update your operating system, there's no guarantee that an older version of Sonar that was designed to work with the version of the operating system that was available at the time will work. The MS GS Wavetable synth is a very poor sound producer. You should be using softsynths.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/03 07:14:26
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Some effects and drivers have to be installed as Administrator or they won't show up. Don't know if this applies here but might be worth a try. Also, check the plugin manager under Excluded plugins to see if it's listed.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/03 10:12:21
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that may be helpful; how would you go about checking for that? Also, how would I find a particular effect, ie the vsc - is there a way to spot it on the disc or on my harddrive if I put it there? Thanks for help.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/03 10:17:37
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whether the gs wavetable is a poor sound producer or not I still don't know why it shows up on this computer in homestudio 2002 but will not show up in my sonar producer 4 - on the same computer; does it have to do with the bitrate? I mostly concerned about getting that to show up along with the vsc (I thought that was a softsynth?) - that one isn't showing up at all - is there a way to find it on the disc?
Are you speaking about softsynths supplied by cakewalk? Which ones? Thanks for help.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/03 11:15:10
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No, it has to do with the driver mode. I think it only shows up if you're using MME mode (which you shouldn't be using either). I don't think is shows up if you're using ASIO or WDM mode (which you should be using, depending on our soundcard). What soundcard do you have? BTW, the TTS-1 is the replacement for the old Edirol VSC and its much better sounding.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/03 20:27:25
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well when I open program now all I'm getting for midi outs is microsoft midi mapper - and not getting sound from my tts-1; just want to get a basic setup at this time to sound midi tracks - I guess I'll have to troubleshoot - thanks
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/03 23:35:12
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rir1
that may be helpful; how would you go about checking for that? Also, how would I find a particular effect, ie the vsc - is there a way to spot it on the disc or on my harddrive if I put it there? Thanks for help.
Usually under Tools>Cakewalk plugin manager although if it doesn't show up there it should be in the Program Files> Cakewalk or Sonar directory somewhere in a sub-folder folder called Utilities (I can check if you can't find it). The VSC would likely be on the hard drive somewhere in the Program Files folder as well. Just do a Search in Windows and be sure to check system and hidden folders as well. Search for VSC*. Again I can check and tell you where it is on my drive but no guarantees it will be in the same folder on your computer as I don't use Windows 7. Now, are you adding softsynths like TTS-1 to an audio track or the softsynth and then routing the MIDI track to the softsynth afterwards or are you looking for the Edirol to show up as a Track Output or under midi devices? It's been a while but I guess I'm asking if the Edirol VCS was a VSTi or DirectX plugin? Have you always installed it in the synth rack or an audio track or did it just show up as a track output? I guess the question is how exactly did you -use to- set up midi output when working in Sonar on XP when it worked? Try to be as specific as you can.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/05 19:36:32
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thanks for help and hope you had a good 4th - we're making progress - I have sound, always a good thing - I loaded the sonar 6 for 32 bit and it seems to be helping; I took your advice about the tts-1 - but the deal is when I write some midi notes and then assign it to tts-1 - nothing; when the same track is assigned to microsoft wavetable synth - it sounds. Now when I bring a file over that was recorded on another computer (before) with tts-1 tracks - they sound fine over in the new computer; but not getting sound when I have midi notes that were recorded in the program - I think my assignments are right but not sure;
the other thing is I must have set the program to rescan every time it opens because it rescans all the plugins when I open it - is it better not to do that and how do I fix that?
I do appreciate it - have seen some tutorials on it and that's helping but I sure would like to figure out why the tts is not sounding the midi notes - thanks a bunch.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/05 22:54:06
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What is your soundcard? Seriously, I'm not going to try to help you if you can't tell me what equipment you have. It sounds like to me you're trying to use old software (Sonar 4) under Windows 7 using the computer's built-in soundcard. I think you're wasting your time and mine. Did you check Options-Audio-Drivers?
post edited by daveny5 - 2012/07/05 22:59:52
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/05 22:56:32
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with regard to the GS, it should show up in preferences *IF* you select "advanced" perhaps, in perfences.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/05 23:32:59
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rir1
thanks for help and hope you had a good 4th - we're making progress - I have sound, always a good thing - I loaded the sonar 6 for 32 bit and it seems to be helping; I took your advice about the tts-1 - but the deal is when I write some midi notes and then assign it to tts-1 - nothing; when the same track is assigned to microsoft wavetable synth - it sounds. Now when I bring a file over that was recorded on another computer (before) with tts-1 tracks - they sound fine over in the new computer; but not getting sound when I have midi notes that were recorded in the program - I think my assignments are right but not sure;
the other thing is I must have set the program to rescan every time it opens because it rescans all the plugins when I open it - is it better not to do that and how do I fix that?
I do appreciate it - have seen some tutorials on it and that's helping but I sure would like to figure out why the tts is not sounding the midi notes - thanks a bunch.
Being Canadian I celebrate the 1st. I'm still recovering. Progress, always good to hear. A few things to try. If you have a previous project that opens and plays, try adding a new track, drop in some notes and see if it works. Or delete the notes from a working track and add new notes to see if that works, From the sounds of it, it should work. Good news is you can always use that working older project as a template while you sort out the problems. Just delete all notes from all tracks and Save As template. When you choose "File>New" you can open that template file and everything is set up. If you can get that to work I have no doubt the rest can be solved. I'm assuming the Edirol does not show up yet. To disable scanning for plugins go to Options>Global and click on VST Plugins tab. There you will find an option to disable scan on program start if that's what you prefer. Just out of curiosity, after a scan does the Edirol VSC show up in the scanned plugins? Not in Sonar itself but in the Plugin Manager. Try these suggestions and if it works we can hopefully go about figuring how to set up the assignments.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/05 23:38:09
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daveny5
What is your soundcard?
Seriously, I'm not going to try to help you if you can't tell me what equipment you have. It's irrelevant in context to this issue. Equipment is hardly the cause of missing plugins or midi notes not sounding thru a loaded plugin, especially since he has confirmed he has sound. Not every issue is drivers or built-in soundcards. Does it sound like I have trouble using Sonar Producer 8.5.3 with a Realtek onboard soundchip? Don't think so. http://soundcloud.com/stoons-1
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/06 00:16:23
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the reason your plug in manager is having problems is because you have added a directory that has files in it that are not supposed to be being scanned.
for instance if you open up sonar and on the opening screen.
you are getting warnings saying -
plug in,so,so,has failed,bla,bla,bla.
if this is happening it is because you have added a directory to the plug in manager options file that doesnt belong in there.
just keep in mind,the same reason you cant play windows 2000 games on windows 7,technology does change.
earlier versions of cakewalk used dxi plug ins are no longer supported by windows 7 and cakewalk.
dxi instruments used to be optimized for low latency soundcards.
vst plug ins are not.
thats why davey was asking you what soundcard you were using.
a microsoft soundcard can not support things like session drummer or demention pro on windows 7.
you will have a horrible delay between hiting a note on the keyboard and hearing the sound...thats called latency.
it wouldnt hurt though giving as much info as you can on your computer and soundcard.
the more info the better.
but like davey was also saying.you may just be wasting your time here.
either that or stay with windows xp because windows 7 isnt going to perform as good as win xp will.
its newer technoogy.
why not try and download the sonar x1 trial and see how you like that.
then you might think of updating.
ive been using sonar since cakewalk pro audio 9.
i tryrd one day to load it up on windows 7.
i got it to work but half of my old plug ins would not work.
they are not supported by windows 7.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/06 09:58:46
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stay with windows xp because windows 7 isnt going to perform as good as win xp will. Obviously you mean Sonar 4 won't work as well under Windows 7 because it was released many years before Windows 7.  However, Windows 7 is far superior to XP.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/06 10:04:03
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daveny5
stay with windows xp because windows 7 isnt going to perform as good as win xp will.
Obviously you mean Sonar 4 won't work as well under Windows 7 because it was released many years before Windows 7. However, Windows 7 is far superior to XP.
i thought it made sence..why try running sonar 4 on windows 7? windows 7 will not give the results hes looking for if hes going to be using older programs. he can live a happy life using xp with those older programs.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/06 10:20:48
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rir1
thanks for help and hope you had a good 4th - we're making progress - I have sound, always a good thing - I loaded the sonar 6 for 32 bit and it seems to be helping; I took your advice about the tts-1 - but the deal is when I write some midi notes and then assign it to tts-1 - nothing; when the same track is assigned to microsoft wavetable synth - it sounds. Now when I bring a file over that was recorded on another computer (before) with tts-1 tracks - they sound fine over in the new computer; but not getting sound when I have midi notes that were recorded in the program - I think my assignments are right but not sure;
the other thing is I must have set the program to rescan every time it opens because it rescans all the plugins when I open it - is it better not to do that and how do I fix that?
I do appreciate it - have seen some tutorials on it and that's helping but I sure would like to figure out why the tts is not sounding the midi notes - thanks a bunch.
Being Canadian I celebrate the 1st. I'm still recovering.
Progress, always good to hear.
A few things to try. If you have a previous project that opens and plays, try adding a new track, drop in some notes and see if it works. Or delete the notes from a working track and add new notes to see if that works, From the sounds of it, it should work. Good news is you can always use that working older project as a template while you sort out the problems. Just delete all notes from all tracks and Save As template. When you choose "File>New" you can open that template file and everything is set up. If you can get that to work I have no doubt the rest can be solved. I'm assuming the Edirol does not show up yet.
To disable scanning for plugins go to Options>Global and click on VST Plugins tab. There you will find an option to disable scan on program start if that's what you prefer. Just out of curiosity, after a scan does the Edirol VSC show up in the scanned plugins? Not in Sonar itself but in the Plugin Manager.
Try these suggestions and if it works we can hopefully go about figuring how to set up the assignments.
Next year I plan to start celebrating on the 1st thru the 4th in honor of Canadian-American relations (I do what I can). The template idea is brilliant, it works; I also rescanned TTS-1 and it seems to work fine now; I think using sonar 6 for 32 bit (as opposed to 64) has made a big difference; in terms of edirol vsc it does not show up anywhere, but you are right the TTS-1 will be better, I'm a dinosaur and didn't want to let that go; in terms of plugin manager I have nothing ("no entries") in the vsti column - everything is in the dxi column - I don't know enough about which is which and it's true I may have put too many folders in the vst adapter to scan, is there a way to determine which are the proper folders for that? Thanks again.
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Re:Problems Sonar, Windows 7, plugins, GS wavetable - not there
2012/07/06 11:16:02
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Your VSTs can be in any folders you want as long as you make sure you tell Sonar where to look for them. The Cakewalk default is c:\program files\cakewalk\vstplugins.
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