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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/04 22:52:55
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I hate planes and flying just as much as I like Buddy Holly.
And Randy Rhoads.
And Stevie Ray Vaughan.
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/04 22:56:41
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Now I can't get American Pie out of my head!
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/04 22:59:03
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I hate planes and flying just as much as I like Buddy Holly.
And Randy Rhoads.
And Stevie Ray Vaughan.
But not Ronnie VanZant? 
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/04 23:11:54
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craigb
Rain
I hate planes and flying just as much as I like Buddy Holly.
And Randy Rhoads.
And Stevie Ray Vaughan.
But not Ronnie VanZant?
The minute I can stand the sound of my own singing voice, I'll add him to the list. Until then, for everyone's sanity, I'll stick w/ guitar and guitar players. ;)
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/04 23:26:54
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Ahh, the first gen Bonanza. The plane was a high performance aircraft and the unique V tail made handling tricky. It caused a lot of accidents with inexperienced pilots. Beautiful plane though. Love the instrument panel.
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/05 22:31:19
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Rain
I hate planes and flying just as much as I like Buddy Holly.
And Randy Rhoads.
And Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Although I accept that there maybe something to ... the time is up ... thing, I really doubt that the plane is at fault in many of these moments. But sometimes things happen, and that's that! In Stevie's case, it has been said that the thing was overloaded ... and that is gross negligence in my book. Others might be pilot error, or not a good decision, but let's remember that if you see one of these ... there is a great picture of one ... where the pilot got it down safely and no one was hurt or died! Those folks ... deserve a pat in the back. If you ever have a chance, read Chuch Yeager's book about his days experimenting with the speed of sound ... and he will be the first one to tell you that even in those crafts, it was more about what you knew or did not know about the machine that made the difference. And if you read that far ... you really want to read about the slide rule thing and the TV antennas thing ... very funny and enjoyable!
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/05 22:59:33
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Moshkiae
Rain
I hate planes and flying just as much as I like Buddy Holly.
And Randy Rhoads.
And Stevie Ray Vaughan.
Although I accept that there maybe something to ... the time is up ... thing, I really doubt that the plane is at fault in many of these moments. But sometimes things happen, and that's that!
In Stevie's case, it has been said that the thing was overloaded ... and that is gross negligence in my book. Others might be pilot error, or not a good decision, but let's remember that if you see one of these ... there is a great picture of one ... where the pilot got it down safely and no one was hurt or died! Those folks ... deserve a pat in the back.
If you ever have a chance, read Chuch Yeager's book about his days experimenting with the speed of sound ... and he will be the first one to tell you that even in those crafts, it was more about what you knew or did not know about the machine that made the difference. And if you read that far ... you really want to read about the slide rule thing and the TV antennas thing ... very funny and enjoyable!
Oh I have no doubt about it. I'm just not comfortable w/ heights - we live on the 9th floor and that's about as much as I can take - as long as I don't stand near windows. ;) Imagine on a plane - plus I'm 6'3", so unless I'm traveling first class, there's just no way I can enjoy being on a plane, even when it's not in the air.
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/06 00:28:49
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un-modded V tail Bonanzas, also know as "doctor killers"...
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/06 00:57:32
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I've flown a couple of planes, both LITTLE Cesna 140's (the kind where you can close the opposing door without stretching your arm out). I'm 6'4" and my knees were hitting the yolk when I was using the pedals... Plus on one trip we were flying back into Long Beach's big airport so there were huge planes all around us making me feel like I could go outside and push the thing faster...
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/06 08:25:46
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craigb
I've flown a couple of planes, both LITTLE Cesna 140's (the kind where you can close the opposing door without stretching your arm out). I'm 6'4" and my knees were hitting the yolk when I was using the pedals... Plus on one trip we were flying back into Long Beach's big airport so there were huge planes all around us making me feel like I could go outside and push the thing faster...
Man, you're more courageous than I am. I've never flown on these. Whenever I see smaller planes like those little Gulfstream, I only need to imagine climbing onboard to feel my extremities get numb and start feeling dizzy. The big transatlantic boeing I'm a tad more comfortable w/ - usually once we're above the clouds I can forget about it, but the minute we arrive in Europe and we have to change planes and board a Cesna, I feel a lot less comfortable, even if these aren't really small planes. I can't help analyzing every tiny sound they make.
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/06 15:40:50
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If it helps, George Carlin always used to say that you should never get on a plane, you should only get in one!  (He also couldn't understand why they give you a floatation device for emergencies - he, and I, would much prefer a parachute!)
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/07 00:19:17
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craigb
If it helps, George Carlin always used to say that you should never get on a plane, you should only get in one!
(He also couldn't understand why they give you a floatation device for emergencies - he, and I, would much prefer a parachute!)
What if you parachute into the water?
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/07 00:32:54
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If it helps, George Carlin always used to say that you should never get on a plane, you should only get in one!
(He also couldn't understand why they give you a floatation device for emergencies - he, and I, would much prefer a parachute!)
What if you parachute into the water?
Much better than slamming into the water at 600+ mph in my opinion! Then I'm sure you could swim to the wreckage of the plane and find something to cling to until they locate the black box beacon, ya?
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/07 01:28:17
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craigb
I've flown a couple of planes, both LITTLE Cesna 140's (the kind where you can close the opposing door without stretching your arm out). I'm 6'4" and my knees were hitting the yolk when I was using the pedals... Plus on one trip we were flying back into Long Beach's big airport so there were huge planes all around us making me feel like I could go outside and push the thing faster...
I have fond memories of flying a 140, Craig. Kind of like flying a Volkswagon Beetle. I'm also 6'4" and it is indeed cozy.
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Re:"The Day The Music Died"
2012/07/07 01:42:16
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craigb
I've flown a couple of planes, both LITTLE Cesna 140's (the kind where you can close the opposing door without stretching your arm out). I'm 6'4" and my knees were hitting the yolk when I was using the pedals... Plus on one trip we were flying back into Long Beach's big airport so there were huge planes all around us making me feel like I could go outside and push the thing faster...
I have fond memories of flying a 140, Craig.
Kind of like flying a Volkswagon Beetle. I'm also 6'4" and it is indeed cozy.
Except the Beetle was much wider! LOL! FWIW - I never finished getting my pilot's license so my few trips up were for lessons or in my cousins "made from scratch from the original blueprints" 1941 version. The trip in Long Beach was with the guy who owned the house I was renting a room from. Same plane just MUCH newer looking. Flying at 80 mph 2,000 feet above the ground seems more nerve racking than going faster at a much higher altitude!
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